Grey Doffin Posted January 14, 2017 Report Posted January 14, 2017 Hi guys, I've been proofing future voumes of Fukushi's Tosogu Classroom as translated by Markus Sesko (see my post in Shows and Events Forum) and Markus asked me for an English word for the metal between 2 sukashi elements. There must be one (we have words for everything) but I can't think of it. What would you call the metal left when 2 sukashi are opened next to each other? Grey Quote
ROKUJURO Posted January 14, 2017 Report Posted January 14, 2017 I would simply call that the plate (or TSUBA blank, if it is related to a new manufacture of a TSUBA). Quote
hxv Posted January 14, 2017 Report Posted January 14, 2017 How about "residual element" between two sukashi? Hoanh Quote
Brian Posted January 14, 2017 Report Posted January 14, 2017 I would just call it the bridge between sukashi elements. Quote
Curran Posted January 14, 2017 Report Posted January 14, 2017 I could only think to call it "positive space" in contrast to ma (間) or negative space. However, Ma (same character as the signature of Hazama tsuba, with their intense use of positive and negative space) isn't necessarily the absence of material such as transparency of sukashi. Silhouette is more about the outline of the form rather than the actual form itself. Probably Markus' neighbor George is going to come up with the best word, if anyone can. Quote
Tanto54 Posted January 14, 2017 Report Posted January 14, 2017 I think that Curran's "positive space" is the best choice because that is the common term used in many disciplines for this concept (e.g., architecture, 2D and 3D art). Using positive space (along with negative space when you are describing a sukashi tsuba) makes it very clear whether you are talking about the metal that is left (positive space) or the void that is cut away (negative space). Those terms make it easy to discuss the image whichever way it is depicted (especially those wonderful sukashi tsuba that have images in both the positive and negative space). Here are some interesting non-tsuba images that illustrate the point (and one that even Stephen can appreciate...) Quote
Grey Doffin Posted January 14, 2017 Author Report Posted January 14, 2017 I used something like "the plate between 2 sukashi" but I was looking for a one word answer. I'm sure there's a word for it but it probably is quite obscure and closely tied to a specific craft: no one will know the word even if I found it. Thanks guys, Grey Quote
Peter Bleed Posted January 14, 2017 Report Posted January 14, 2017 What we are talking about here is an interstice google it. And if you need help with pronunciation remember that famous poem An amorous girl named Knapp Had pimples all over her map But in her interstices There lurked a far worse disease, For there she supported the clap. Peter 4 Quote
MauroP Posted January 15, 2017 Report Posted January 15, 2017 In Italian the right definition is "margini del traforo", so margin, edge or border may be the right word? Mauro Quote
Pete Klein Posted January 15, 2017 Report Posted January 15, 2017 How about 'ji sukashi elements'? Quote
myochin Posted January 15, 2017 Report Posted January 15, 2017 Why not simply use the word "ita" ? Paul Quote
Jean Posted January 15, 2017 Report Posted January 15, 2017 If someone could post a drawing of what we are lookng for in term of word, it could help.... Quote
Brian Posted January 15, 2017 Report Posted January 15, 2017 I guess they mean these...the areas between cutouts.. Quote
Ford Hallam Posted January 15, 2017 Report Posted January 15, 2017 In Brian's example I'd call those parts ribs. Quote
Jean Posted January 15, 2017 Report Posted January 15, 2017 Thanks Brian, could it be border or edge? Quote
ROKUJURO Posted January 15, 2017 Report Posted January 15, 2017 What about strip, bar, or ligament? Quote
Brian Posted January 15, 2017 Report Posted January 15, 2017 Ribs works for me...the parts that secure everything together. Quote
Grey Doffin Posted January 15, 2017 Author Report Posted January 15, 2017 Ribs work for the tsuba in Brian's example but not so well for the sukashi tsuba below. Ita doesn't work because it isn't English. The word I'm looking for has to be easily understood by anyone, whether beginner or old pro, who reads the book. I'm beginning to doubt there is a word in English; something like plate between the sukashi is as well as I will do. Thanks all, Grey Quote
John A Stuart Posted January 15, 2017 Report Posted January 15, 2017 The space between positive and negative sillohuettes (formed by sukashi in tsuba, but, not just in this artform) in Japanese artwork is called 間 'Ma" which means interval or space. John Quote
Brian Posted January 15, 2017 Report Posted January 15, 2017 I would just go with ground. You start with the ground metal, and cut away. What is left is still ground? Quote
Ford Hallam Posted January 15, 2017 Report Posted January 15, 2017 the positive elements/space of the design is how it would be described in graphic design terms. Quote
Peter Bleed Posted January 15, 2017 Report Posted January 15, 2017 I think we may be working too hard on this. The English word used to describe the intervening space between design elements is "interstice". It is a technical terms but it is in common use. I was serious in recommending it, and I apologize if my contributed limerick set a poor tone. I think this is the work that Grey was looking for. Of the others that have been presented, "MA" (as in "tokonoma") might be appropriate - AFTER IT HAS BEEN EXPLAINED. Peter Humor on this sword forum runs the risk of upsetting decorum. Seems serious word collectors can be irony neglectors. Relax. If you've got beers, pour'em! 2 Quote
Mark S. Posted January 15, 2017 Report Posted January 15, 2017 In model building, parts on the 'parts tree' are attached by a 'sprue'. Quote
Mark S. Posted January 15, 2017 Report Posted January 15, 2017 Pillar, post, spoke? I think I am tending toward "spoke" as in "spoke of a wheel". Quote
Greg F Posted January 16, 2017 Report Posted January 16, 2017 If not ribs maybe bones or skeleton. Greg Quote
kissakai Posted January 16, 2017 Report Posted January 16, 2017 Land? As an area between to spaces Quote
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