nagamaki - Franco Posted January 9, 2017 Report Posted January 9, 2017 Katana: Oite Osaka Izumi Kami Kunisada Saku Kore-#23th Juyo paper https://www.aoijapan.com/katana-oite-osaka-izumi-kami-kunisada-saku-kore-23th-juyo-paper No, I'm not looking to buy. Quote
Fuuten Posted January 9, 2017 Report Posted January 9, 2017 What exactly do you want to know? I think its a nice blade, besides i can't argue the paper. Quote
Gakusee Posted January 9, 2017 Report Posted January 9, 2017 The blade is more than 'nice'...would be an excellent addition to a collection. Quote
nagamaki - Franco Posted January 9, 2017 Author Report Posted January 9, 2017 Good morning, Thoughts; quality? jigane? nakago? etc.? What does nice mean? How do you measure nice? Thank you Quote
paulb Posted January 9, 2017 Report Posted January 9, 2017 I am with Michael, I think this is beautiful sword. 1st generation tends to be overshadowed by his son. I have seen work by the second generation which is staggeringly beautiful, this may not quite be to that standard but the very tight itame hada looks very much like shinkai and I think you can see the lineage. The hamon looks a bit "blousy" and overactive for my taste, but it looks well constructed and rich in nie, as you might expect from a good Osaka smith. Shape is again what you would expect not exceptional but not unpleasing to the eye. Although not my main line of interest I would be happy to include it in my collection. 1 Quote
Shugyosha Posted January 9, 2017 Report Posted January 9, 2017 Hi Franco, Nice is a longer than usual, juyo blade by a highly ranked smith. The detractors for me are the machiokuri, what looks like some o hada, or at least inconsistent hada, in the first third of the ura and what might be a fukure in the mono uchi area of the omote but is probably just a slight kitae ware that follows the grain in an oval shape. Other than that, as Axel says, it's hard to argue with the paper, though if I were about to drop this kind of money I would probably be looking elsewhere as the blade doesn't really make me go wow!, but that's a personal thing. So what am I missing? Best, John 2 Quote
nagamaki - Franco Posted January 9, 2017 Author Report Posted January 9, 2017 Hi, no right or wrong answers here, just interested in seeing this sword through someone else's eyes/thought process. Never thought of using the word "blousy" to describe the hamon, like it! Thank you. Quote
paulb Posted January 9, 2017 Report Posted January 9, 2017 Hi Franco It goes with my other stock phrase of "Tart's boudoir" when describing a loud Edo Koshirae Quote
Kronos Posted January 9, 2017 Report Posted January 9, 2017 Agreed with JJ, for 5M Yen I'd be looking elsewhere. It's what I'd call a nearly sword, whereby it's "nearly" a very good sword but it's missing something imho. Quote
nagamaki - Franco Posted January 9, 2017 Author Report Posted January 9, 2017 Hi Paul, Funny, having hunted for just the right original Edo period koshirae for years without success, I almost surrendered to a wonderful "Tart's boudoir" set, but in the end couldn't bring myself to do it. 1 Quote
nagamaki - Franco Posted January 9, 2017 Author Report Posted January 9, 2017 Hello, Please describe your likes and dislikes? Thank you. Quote
paulb Posted January 9, 2017 Report Posted January 9, 2017 To expand my original comments a little further One of the things that struck me about the Shinkai I looked at was the incredible clarity of the ji-nie. It looked 3 dimensional, as though you were looking through the surface. I decribed it at the time as looking down into a frozen pool, a description I don't doubt that has been used before. I dont see evidence of that effect on this sword. it may be the image or the polish or maybe it just isn't there. I think that is one of the things that distinguish the 2nd from the 1st generation. The jigane is very like the Shinkai I saw (less the bright nie) and Osaka jigane is very beautiful. Would I like the sword to study? Yes. Would I pay 5 million yen for it (assuming I had it)? No, there are many older works I would much rather have. I think at his best this smith is considered amongst the better Osaka smiths, if not top tier at least fairly close and this may be one of his better works. The fact it achieved Juyo suggests the shinsa panel regarded it as both representative of his work and of sufficient quality. I think it is one that would benefit from Hands on examination. Having said all that I think I could get a good Rai blade or Osafune work for that amount of money and I would probably enjoy them more 2 Quote
Gakusee Posted January 9, 2017 Report Posted January 9, 2017 While Osaka Shinto is not my chosen area of collecting as well, I would like to insert some observations why I think it is a very good blade : - very healthy (look at the boshi, thickness etc) - rather long (people here on the board tend to go into overdrive over swords longer than 70cm) - zaimei (very well executed on that) relatively famous smith - lovely, flamboyant hamon (I know Paul prefers his Yamashiro suguha with koashi:) but that is a personal taste factor so I cannot impose my ostentatious-hamon predilections on people - typical features (yakidoshi) - jigane is fairly good (though not outstanding; agree on some of Paul's and John's observations) even if it is not interspersed with a plethora of konie or jinie. Jigane could be very good or attractive without too much nie in it by the way. In contradiction to some of the posts, I think I can see enough nie on the sword and Tsuruta san mentions several times it has jinie. - rather decent hataraki to learn from - actually priced not at 5m yen but 4.5m yen On the negative sides: indeed a fukure or two, somewhat rather toppy indicated initial price (but that could be negotiated down as we all know if we cite some of the reasons mentioned in this thread), a rough patch or two on the hada (but not too many). I am not sure how much of this is permitted given that this is a sword for sale and not sold yet but if the moderators feel we have breached some rules they can hopefully rectify our transgressions. 2 Quote
Jimmy R Posted January 10, 2017 Report Posted January 10, 2017 If someone's name is not part of their sign how are we supposed to know who they are? I have never met anyone named Nagamaki or Gakusee or Fuuten. Can you guys tell me your name please? Quote
b.hennick Posted January 10, 2017 Report Posted January 10, 2017 At the bottom of his posts Nagamaki signs Franco. Look at the bottom of the post Gauksee is Michael S. 1 Quote
SwordGuyJoe Posted January 10, 2017 Report Posted January 10, 2017 Barry - Auto signature names do not appear in the mobile version. Quote
Jimmy R Posted January 10, 2017 Report Posted January 10, 2017 Barry - Auto signature names do not appear in the mobile version. Okay. Yes I use mobile version. Sorry. Quote
nagamaki - Franco Posted January 10, 2017 Author Report Posted January 10, 2017 Okay. Yes I use mobile version. Sorry. No worries, was unaware of mobile version. Display name now changed. Quote
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