shibeni Posted October 13, 2016 Report Posted October 13, 2016 Hello,is it possible to find out to which samurai family belongs this mons in armours? Thank you very much, Bojan S. Quote
Ian Posted October 13, 2016 Report Posted October 13, 2016 This may help https://doyouknowjapan.com/symbols/ 2 Quote
uwe Posted October 14, 2016 Report Posted October 14, 2016 Hi Bojan, I'll try to figure out on Sunday. When I'm back home from vacations..... Quote
shibeni Posted October 14, 2016 Author Report Posted October 14, 2016 Thank you very much for help Uwe. Regards, Bojan S. Quote
IanB Posted October 14, 2016 Report Posted October 14, 2016 Bojan, The short answer to your question is no. Firstly two of the mon, the ones on the left and right in particular were used by just about everybody and his brother. Secondly, there was no regulation or recording of mon, other than restrictions on their use, until quite late. The mon used by some of the commanders at Seki ga Hara are unknown despite the fact that they were reasonably important people at the time. There was a practice of granting your mon to a subordinate who had been victorious with the result that the 3 - 5 - 3 kirimon, as on the helmet on the right, became so widely used that it didn't really identify anyone. Ian Bottomley 2 Quote
shibeni Posted October 14, 2016 Author Report Posted October 14, 2016 Thank you Ian for this information. Best regards, Bojan S. Quote
uwe Posted October 16, 2016 Report Posted October 16, 2016 Hi Bojan, Ian is basically right. Almost no chance for pinning down the families (clans) if there is no further information about the particular armor (-parts) bearing the mon. Not to disappoint you completely, here are some possibilities.... The kabuto: The dou: The fugikaeshi (second kabuto): Guess, now you can imagin why Ian not named any specific family 2 Quote
DaveT Posted October 16, 2016 Report Posted October 16, 2016 Sometimes you can pair a mon to a clan. For instance the Hosokawa made use of the etchu style which is very distinctive, same applies to the Date with the oshu/sendai style and the Ii with their red Hikone armours. Stepping aside from that its near impossible to marry a mon with a clan.As the others have said, they were used too widely by so many. 2 Quote
Bugyotsuji Posted October 18, 2016 Report Posted October 18, 2016 Yup, sadly I have to agree with the above. I have a beautiful wakizashi koshirae covered in the sideways Mitsu Hikiryo Mon on your Do above. "Miura?" Hopefully wagging my tail, I have shown it to several Japanese sword experts but they all seemed to shy away from naming any one family. 1 Quote
shibeni Posted October 23, 2016 Author Report Posted October 23, 2016 Thank you all for this, very good lesson. Regards, Bojan S. Quote
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