Shinshinto?

[ice-hot]

Hello,

Shinshinto for certain.  Well that's my best guess.  I am struggling to identify a smith. Kanesada 11 or 12th gen?  Any help is greatly appreciated.

Mumi ubu nakago, One mekugi, Yasurime sujikai from what is visable, Nagasa  94mm , Sori is shallow 10mm, Chu-kissaki,  Suguha in nie deki, Jigane fine a little weak, ko-mokume,Boshi maybe ko-maru sagari.

 

 

Thank you,

John A

 

[ROKUJURO]

......Mumei ubu nakago, One mekugi, Yasurime sujikai from what is visible, Nagasa  94mm....

NAKAGO does not look like SHIN-SHINTO to me as far as the heavy corrosion is original and not artificial. KISSAKI looks longer than CHU, but that may be the angle of the photo. The length seems to be  about 70 cm.

 

NAGASA 94 mm is for ONI.....    

[ice-hot]

Thank you Jean for that correction.

You are right,  Nagasa is 70mm. A mistake related to my inability to type and read a tape at the same time.

You may also be right on the kissaki It looks a bit longer than"Chu", but I did not think long enough to call it "O" in comparison to the blades length and width. Could have been reshaped at some time.

Regarding the Nakago I think the picture enhances the corrosion more than it is. Yasurime is visible in many areas and there are spots of red rust sprinkled around the nagako.

So... would you lean towards Shinto, Kanbun or Keicho?

The discription I see now now with your input Jean is  Shinto,  Yamashiro tradition?

 

I gotta get more books!

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Thanks,

John

[vajo]

A nice blade!

Is there a closed mekugi ana at the end of the nakago?

[Jean]

Nagasa is 70cm and not mm

[paulb]

I think the nakago is misleading. We shouldnt mistake this type of damage for aging. I have seen Gunto with equally bad decay, they were just neglected and kept in a damp environment. When looking for an indication of age in a Nakago you need to assess the colour of the steel rather than corrosion as a guide.

In this case and looking at the rest of the sword I dont think shin-shuinto is a bad call.

[ice-hot]

Well...don't know what I can blame that one on. I don't like the metric system?

Thanks again Jean. I think I should start to proofread my posts more often. 

Thank you Chris, no plugged mekugi ana  that I recognize. The color and shading look off in my pictures, like Jean said the Nakago looks much more corroded then it is.

Thanks,

John

 

 

[uwe]

Shape maybe leading towards "Kanbun". I think however "Shin-Shinto" (or younger)!

[Stephen]

http://www.militaria.co.za/nmb/topic/16612-loyalist-blade/

[dig1982]

Hi, nice blade! In the fifth pics seems that there is sign of a removed mei...or it is only a shadow in the pics?

[Stephen]

More of a area that did not corrode, what the whole tang should look like. 

[ice-hot]

Thanks for the replies.

 

So after reading Stephens post and seeing the pictures as a comparison, It does have some similarities but some differences to.

The size and shape are similar but in the third and fourth pic. I see O mokume  where mine is very Ko mokume.

I would agree with Jean that mine leans closer to O kissaki but what I see on that sword is smaller Chu.

Similar shinogi,no nakago pictured so...I don't know

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Thank you Uwe, Before I posted I thought I had narrowed it down to Shin-Shinto Mino tradition.

 

Paul thanks for replying, It does look like a lot of corrosion on the Nakago in the pictures I posted but in person you can see lots of file marks, some very clear and easy to identify as Sujikai. So I dont know what to make of the corrosion?.

 

Diego, Its not the camera,looks like that even in person but in those spots, are clear file marks that lead into the corroded portion of the blade and in the file marks the same color rust as on the rest of Nakago. so if a Gimei was removed it looks like it was done quit some time ago and done well. IMHO

 

Thanks again for all your expert opinions. I am starting to think it is Shinto now, found pg. 226 of Nagayamas "Connoisseur's", features of the swords of Shinto times is a very close description of this sword. What do you think?

 

Thanks,

John

 

 

[Stephen]

what is the sori

[Greg F]

I think 10mm Stephen.

 

Greg

[paulb]

I think the nakago is very un-shinto so am still leaning to shin-shinto or later. Likewise the shallow sori is pushing me that way (wouldnt be the first time I was wrong!)