Having Trouble Translating

[Medina San1]

I found a couple of the characters but its been giving me a hard time. please help.

[Mark]

can you post a picture

[Medina San1]

yes I just added the photo to the original post.

[Stephen]

“Nōshū Seki Sukefusa” (濃州 関 助房)

missing other kanji something shu 

[Stephen]

The following students studied under Kasama Shigetsugu at
the Denshujo. Also listed are these student's students:

1.1.2.5. Kuniiye (国家)

1.1.2.5.1. Masasane (正真)

1.1.2.5.2.. Kuninobu (国展)

1.1.2.5.3. Kuniyasu (国安)/ Kunitoshi
(国寿)

1.1.2.5.4. Yoshimitsu (吉光)

1.1.2.5.5. Shoji (荘二) / Kuniiye (国家)

1.1.2.5.6 Yoshindo (義人)

1.1.2.6. Akitomo (昭友)

1.1.2.6.1. Tomomaro (友麿)

1.1.2.6.1.1. Sukefusa (助房)   

 

not sure if same one or not

[SteveM]

前川助房 

 

Maekawa Sukefusa. Modern smith, I think. 

[Medina San1]

There was a Noshu Seki smith in the shinto period , do you maybe  think this could possibly be his work? I don't have the blade yet. but here is another photo sent to me. I kindly await your responses.

Dan

[Stephen]

Dan 

 

i get the impression a stamp was removed, well know more when you get it. Joe should be able to tell us if its a Shigetsugu student. 

[SwordGuyJoe]

Definite stamp removal IMO.  This is showa era, not shinto - hopefully you didn't buy it assuming that.  

 

As far as being in the Shigetsugu lineage, it's possible.  This is an area where things get a little watered down.  Akimoto Akitomo was a student - and a damn good one - of Shigetsugu.  He took over as one of the instructors of the Denshujo after Kasama-san left, so there is no telling how many people worked under him and how long.  I would think that since this smith - if it is the same one (I can't find anything on him quickly) - did not take on one of Akimoto-san's kanji he was one of the many that came through that school and spent a less than significant amount of time.  Can you show pictures of the blade itself?  It may all be for naught, since this is likely showato, even if he is of the line, there will probably not be a lot to see to help inform a suggestion.  

 

Here is a nice example of Akitomo's work.  I am not sure where Moses gets that he's a Yasukuni-tosho, but it's possible that I am missing something.

 

http://www.nihontoantiques.com/project/yasukuni-akitomo-fss-681/

[Stephen]

http://www.militaria.co.za/nmb/topic/14115-hi-all-inherited-kai-gunto-mysteries-need-solving/

[Medina San1]

I was just sent this about the sword, comments please.

[SwordGuyJoe]

It's incorrect. The sword is war era and it says Noshu Seki Ju Maekawa Sukefusa saku.

[SteveM]

It is laughably incorrect. The person who wrote that quite simply doesn't know what he is talking about, or worse, he does know, but he is deliberately obscuring things in the hope that he can trick some gullible person into believing the sword is a Kamakura artifact. 

Fun fact: the kanji he says is 浓 is not used in Japan. It is only used in mainland China. 

 

[mywei]

Yep looks really dodge. As Steve mentioned 浓 is the simplified Chinese version of 濃 and does not exist in Japanese.