timelag Posted May 19, 2016 Author Report Posted May 19, 2016 Yes, name is Chuan QinYes,that is my name
Sly Posted May 19, 2016 Report Posted May 19, 2016 Too bad that this sword has not been submited to tokubetsu juyo shinsa this year. Masamune could fail but not this one .
vajo Posted May 19, 2016 Report Posted May 19, 2016 It's interesting to look to china swords. My only experience is that many Japanese swords come from china and i try not to buy them. Btw, your sword is looking old 1
ggil Posted May 19, 2016 Report Posted May 19, 2016 The OP is trolling, or otherwise has some nefarious aim I wager. Still fun reading what you guys have to say! 1
Jamie Posted May 19, 2016 Report Posted May 19, 2016 Hey, I have some stuff for you that you might like. And for what you will consider grate deals. Well start with with my Colorado beach-house
Jean Posted May 19, 2016 Report Posted May 19, 2016 Jamie, you're entering "the best in show" competition with your "GRATE deals"
Alex A Posted May 20, 2016 Report Posted May 20, 2016 Brian, tks for your advise, i know that is impossible.to sell it via internet, i just send this picture out,hope to envoke some intetest of collector Well Charlie, you have certainly achieved your goal.
timelag Posted May 20, 2016 Author Report Posted May 20, 2016 Well Charlie, you have certainly achieved your goal.tks for your kindness,if not bother,i will post a few of my collection for your reference
Guido Posted May 20, 2016 Report Posted May 20, 2016 You guys can be really cruel with a non-native English speaker, so let’s stop having fun on his expense, and beating around the bush. Chuan Qin-xiānsheng, I’m reasonably sure that all your items are fake. I used to live in Beijing for almost 9 years, and have seen countless similar, artificially aged items. For starters, I recommend to read the book 中国刀剑 by 皇甫江 to get an idea of how genuine Chinese edged weapons look. I also can give you the contact details of a very knowledgeable antique dealer in Pānjiāyuán, just PM me. He’s a long time personal friend of mine, and received an MA in Oriental Art from Heidelberg University, Germany – the only dealer in Beijing I vouch for 100%. 3
Brian Posted May 20, 2016 Report Posted May 20, 2016 Chuan Qin, Guido's advice is the best you are going to get anywhere. Strongly recommend you take him up on it. Brian
Alex A Posted May 20, 2016 Report Posted May 20, 2016 For a minute i thought Charlie was putting together another very tempting deal, glad thats cleared up.
Guido Posted May 20, 2016 Report Posted May 20, 2016 For a minute i thought Charlie was putting together another very tempting deal, glad thats cleared up. The main market for Chinese fakes isn't overseas, but China itself. Actually, I've seen more Chinese duped into buying what they think are priceless treasures, than I've read complaints about Chinese fakes on NMB. For that reason alone I'll give "Charlie" the benefit of doubt; from what he wrote so far, he seems to be a victim, not a perpetrator.
mywei Posted May 20, 2016 Report Posted May 20, 2016 The main market for Chinese fakes isn't overseas, but China itself. Actually, I've seen more Chinese duped into buying what they think are priceless treasures, than I've read complaints about Chinese fakes on NMB. For that reason alone I'll give "Charlie" the benefit of doubt; from what he wrote so far, he seems to be a victim, not a perpetrator. Be that as it may, I have a hard time believing anyone would spend 500,000RMB on a lump of metal with no authentication, no matter how good the salesman/con-man. I can't shake the feeling that he is taking the piss 1
Alex A Posted May 20, 2016 Report Posted May 20, 2016 I think Charlie knows exactly what he has. His own words "I just pay half million for this roral dragon ruler", I don't believe that A guy asks for 2 million dollars for a piece of junk, taking us for fools or hes a troll, one or the other. Ps, Charlie, the only way you will get $2,000000 for that is if NASA find out its made of an alloy, not of this world Been an interesting thread, good luck with your sale. 1
timelag Posted May 20, 2016 Author Report Posted May 20, 2016 You guys can be really cruel with a non-native English speaker, so let’s stop having fun on his expense, and beating around the bush. Chuan Qin-xiānsheng, I’m reasonably sure that all your items are fake. I used to live in Beijing for almost 9 years, and have seen countless similar, artificially aged items. For starters, I recommend to read the book 中国刀剑 by 皇甫江 to get an idea of how genuine Chinese edged weapons look. I also can give you the contact details of a very knowledgeable antique dealer in Pānjiāyuán, just PM me. He’s a long time personal friend of mine, and received an MA in Oriental Art from Heidelberg University, Germany – the only dealer in Beijing I vouch for 100%. Dear Guido, Thanks for your opinion, of course Mr.Huang Pujiang is the biggest Chinese antique weapon collector,but if you know him, I think you also know Mr.Liang YiRen and Mr.Lao Du, they are his biggest supplier, I purchase these antique from these two guys. Ok, then, if someone can just distinguish these are fake through photo, I really appreicate his professionalism, if someone here can prove the antique are fake (the proof), I will give him 10000usd for what he had done, but if not, please keep silent. Best Regards Charlie
timelag Posted May 20, 2016 Author Report Posted May 20, 2016 To be frank, I feel disappointed with this forum, I thought people who love antique weapon will also have broad mind, while things are not what it should be. If you come to China, you will know what is happening now, the on line antique weapon bidding held every week, and millions of turnover has accured. I do not think rich people are stupid than others... anyway good luck
timelag Posted May 20, 2016 Author Report Posted May 20, 2016 By the way, if they are fake, I will cook them and eat them all,
md02geist Posted May 20, 2016 Report Posted May 20, 2016 I'm laughing so hard at this whole thread. I have no idea what's going on here but I love it.
Shugyosha Posted May 20, 2016 Report Posted May 20, 2016 Charlie, So Alex was right, you're either s con man or a troll. You're trying to sell a piece of junk that looks slightly like a famous Japanese sword. The way this works is that YOU prove it genuine not the other way around. 1
timelag Posted May 20, 2016 Author Report Posted May 20, 2016 There are no men dare to accept this gamble? I can burden travelling charge if anyone of you can come to Beijing confirming me why they are fake
Shugyosha Posted May 20, 2016 Report Posted May 20, 2016 Well Charlie, you made them so you'd better get munching.
timelag Posted May 20, 2016 Author Report Posted May 20, 2016 Charlie, So Alex was right, you're either s con man or a troll. You're trying to sell a piece of junk that looks slightly like a famous Japanese sword. The way this works is that YOU prove it genuine not the other way around. How to pricing an item is my right, No one will oblige someone to buy it, is that right?
Shugyosha Posted May 20, 2016 Report Posted May 20, 2016 and there's no obligation to be polite or take you seriously when you've given no reason to do so. 1
SwordGuyJoe Posted May 20, 2016 Report Posted May 20, 2016 I think this has run its course. They're either real or fake, you're either interested or your not. What one person's opinion is on a piece can be his own and he can price it how ever he sees fit. I don't see a ton of benefit trying to convince him that he's wrong. Just my opinion. 3
Alex A Posted May 20, 2016 Report Posted May 20, 2016 To be frank, I feel disappointed with this forum, I thought people who love antique weapon will also have broad mind, while things are not what it should be. If you come to China, you will know what is happening now, the on line antique weapon bidding held every week, and millions of turnover has accured. I do not think rich people are stupid than others... anyway good luck Charlie, if you thought that sword was worth $2000000, you would not be on here looking to sell it would you?. You would have sold it to a museum by now, and be a local hero.
timelag Posted May 20, 2016 Author Report Posted May 20, 2016 I think this has run its course. They're either real or fake, you're either interested or your not. What one person's opinion is on a piece can be his own and he can price it how ever he sees fit. I don't see a ton of benefit trying to convince him that he's wrong. Just my opinion. Thank you, that is the reasonable opinion. I price an item, any of you can just leave it or forget about it, but what I have seen is only junk word.
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