Sergio Bastos Posted December 2, 2007 Report Posted December 2, 2007 HI to everyone, please can you help me identify the period or/and period of this wakizashi recently I find this sword on a sale, it cost me 100 euros and I think that is a good candidate for a new polish but I´m not sure.... the sword have a very interesting hamon ( looks bamboo!!?? ) nagasa : 43,5 cm sori : 1,15 cm thikness in the hamachi 0,65 cm / 2,9 cm - yokote 4,4 cm / 2,2 cm hada : seems oyasugi or masume and the file marks on the nakago is checked (higaki) can anyone help me? Sergio Quote
Joseph P. Posted December 2, 2007 Report Posted December 2, 2007 Hello Sergio, Please take some more pictures of the nakago, if possible. Someone here might take to the type and color of rust and give a rough age estimate. Did someone outline the hamon and boshi on your blade with Sharpie? Well, for 100 Euros, it is a pretty good deal. The sword definitely looks real. Add some more pictures, and we will see what we can get from there. Quote
Sergio Bastos Posted December 2, 2007 Author Report Posted December 2, 2007 Hi Joseph, yes , I outline the hamon and boshi on the blade, I´m cleaning it, but is possible to see the the outline of the hamon (actualy have more detail than my outline!!!!) when I bought it it was cover with black rust( but not deep rust), but the geometry of the sword is very well preserved ( but I can´t take bether pictures ) Sergio Quote
Jacques Posted December 2, 2007 Report Posted December 2, 2007 The hamons seems Fujimio-saigyo. seems to be a sugu yakidashi too (but not sure) There was a swordmith of the mishina school wich worked like this: Tanba no kami Yoshimichi (sandai), he worked in the late 17th. It is just an assumption of course not a certitude Quote
Sergio Bastos Posted December 2, 2007 Author Report Posted December 2, 2007 hello Jacques, thanks for your opinion.... it´s interesting, I think to that this could be from that period.. when I bought this blade it have it´s original tsuba and a piece of the wood tsuka (I think the sword comes from european collection before the 19 century) and that tsuba looks a 17 century owari tsuba (I will post it later) Quote
Brian Posted December 3, 2007 Report Posted December 3, 2007 Sergio, I think you got a great deal there. Still looks fairly healthy, just needing a polish, but for what you paid there is no loss in a polish. Nice looking hamon and at least mumei can't be gimei Brian Quote
takakage Posted December 3, 2007 Report Posted December 3, 2007 higaki yasuri mei are often seen on mino to swords (koto, shinto and shinshinto of course) Quote
Bungo Posted December 3, 2007 Report Posted December 3, 2007 Sergio, at least mumei can't be gimei Brian it could be Bungo......... milt the flying ronin Quote
Sergio Bastos Posted December 3, 2007 Author Report Posted December 3, 2007 Hi Milt, what is the reason for people do not appreciate bungo swords!!!?? Quote
Bungo Posted December 3, 2007 Report Posted December 3, 2007 Hi Milt, what is the reason for people do not appreciate bungo swords!!!?? May be because they were expecting Bizen and the other famous traditions and shinsa comes back Bungo ? the let down factor ? Personally all the Bungo swords I have looks good but then my taste ( anything related to swords ONLY )is " questionable " Problem with Bungo is ( correct me if I am wrong ) they don't have a definitive style that tells you now this is a Bungo sword. May be the Bungo swordsmiths are so skilled they can turn out ANY styles/traditions ? The sheer number of shinsa-ed Bungo swords out there tells me some shinsa kantei is wrong.......... milt the flying ronin Quote
takakage Posted December 4, 2007 Report Posted December 4, 2007 shinto bungo masayasu uses higaki yasuri mei Quote
Guest reinhard Posted December 4, 2007 Report Posted December 4, 2007 Bungo wrote: "The sheer number of shinsa-ed Bungo swords out there tells me some shinsa kantei is wrong.........." The shinsa kantei might not be infallible and there are a few experts qualified to doubt the outcome in one case or another, but I can assure you, that absolutely no member in this forum is qualified to do so. reinhard Quote
Bungo Posted December 5, 2007 Report Posted December 5, 2007 it's like the sheer number of planetary systems out in the universe, do you think we are alone ? why so confrontational ? I mean peace und love, dude. milt Quote
Guest reinhard Posted December 5, 2007 Report Posted December 5, 2007 No offence, Milt. I like your spirits. Mine tell me once in a while to pick up a fight against better knowledge. Anyway, in this case I mean what I say even if I didn't chose the proper language (English is foreign to me, as you probably have noticed). Blades are a far more complex subject than an advanced beginner is aware of and since I had the luck of listening to and talking with true experts of Nihon-To like Tanobe-san of the N.B.T.H.K. and others, I know how poor the knowledge of most enthusiasts (including me) is and how silly most of the doubts towards shinsa are. reinhard Quote
Bungo Posted December 5, 2007 Report Posted December 5, 2007 no offense taken,Reinhard, we are all friends here............. but the censor ( read.....Brian der Despot ) set a higher bar for me, my response to Guido was ( read past tense ) brillant , I do hope G read it before it was yanked off the list. :D :D Brian, just let you know, I gone through my collection of internet news pictures ( over 3000 ) three times before I located that pic. milt Quote
Gordon Posted December 5, 2007 Report Posted December 5, 2007 Hi, Given the higaki yasuri and the condition of the nakago, this looks like a late Muromachi period Mino sword, not Bungo. Gordon Quote
Brian Posted December 5, 2007 Report Posted December 5, 2007 Milt, Yes, I quite enjoyed the proof that the Rowling books can be almost priceless too..good answer. But in the interests of keeping this on track and not going off on a tangent I "yanked" it Pm it to Guido..I'm sure he will get a kick out of it. Hope everyone notes the light hearted references to so many swords going "Bungo" and it is just an in-joke with Milt's swords..and not a serious criticism of the shinsa process..which is frowned upon here. Don't take it too literally folks There is no-one we respect more here than those people who have dedicated their lives to Nihonto. Brian Quote
Jean Posted December 5, 2007 Report Posted December 5, 2007 Brian, You should have been born a diplomat Quote
Brian Posted December 5, 2007 Report Posted December 5, 2007 you should have been born a diplomat I'm open to offers :D :lol: Brian Quote
Bungo Posted December 5, 2007 Report Posted December 5, 2007 to join the State Department is a one way ticket to Baghdad. milt the flying ronin Quote
Mark Green Posted December 10, 2007 Report Posted December 10, 2007 Bungo Swords are the best! Getting 'Bungoed' at shinsa, is better than a lot of the other things that can happen there. And I believe that it's true that the big reason a bunch of swords get 'Bungoed', is due to the fact that the Bungo schools copied the best of many of the other schools. The schools that made swords that would hold up in combat! So, many are close to the school that people were wanting them to be. Be proud if you have one, or feel free to send it to Milt or I. Mark Green Quote
Mark Green Posted December 10, 2007 Report Posted December 10, 2007 Oh and I don't think that your sword here in this post is Bungo. Mark G Quote
Jacques Posted December 10, 2007 Report Posted December 10, 2007 Hi, Given the higaki yasuri and the condition of the nakago, this looks like a late Muromachi period Mino sword, not Bungo. Gordon Looking at the hamon i don't think it could be late Muromachi (more Mid- late EDO) Quote
Sergio Bastos Posted December 11, 2007 Author Report Posted December 11, 2007 Hi jacques and Mark, thanks for your opinions, I wouldn´t mind if the sword was bungo...! it looks very interesting...and after polishing will be great, especialy the great looking hamon ( I will send the sword for polish soon!), jacques I think you are right, the sword looks mishina school, but only after the polish we will be sure... http://www.geocities.com/alchemyst/yoshmich.htm sergio Quote
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