Fake????

[hybridfiat]

Hi fellas, what do you think of this guy. Im trying my very limited and new found knowledge to seek out "genuine fakes" whereever they may be. 110199047976 tell me if Im wrong but the grain of the blade looks overdone and all wrong plus the kissaki is bad with no yokote.

The seller has 2 other auctions and the hamon on both looks ground on you can even see the overrun of the "hamon" in one pic.

I raise this example (if Im right because the pics the guy has posted are so good. They are really detailed.

[Rich T]

It's rubbish. All your observations are correct. Also not the new rust and very poorly made nakago. This is another important thing to look for.

 

Cheers

 

Richard

[remzy]

ive seen worst looking fakes out there. but still fake

[Rich T]

ive seen worst looking fakes out there. but still fake

 

It's a fake, what could be worse ?????

 

These are junk and asking about them is the way to go. Check and re check before bidding. The more we educate, the less these will sell and the worseoff these sellers will be.

 

Cheers

 

Richard

[Brian]

Slightly scary that they are getting better with the kissaki nowdays, and the acid etching looks less like damascus and more like a random grain that has been overcleaned with acid.

The nakago is the give-away as Rich said. Also, as he mentioned, if in doubt..ask.

Another good piece of advice is to study good swords, and the fakes will become apparent. Don't study fakes and assume the ones left over are real.

Btw, judging by the language used here: "Except above countrys, other buyer want to order them, email me before you place your order" and others, I expect this is a Chinese seller using their name to try and fool ppl into believing it is a US seller.

 

Brian

[DirkO]

Brian, just an idea here, but maybe it's a good idea to have a whitelist and a blacklist of Ebay sellers in this forum ??? Although everyone is entitled to their own opinion about Ebay sellers, this might help along the unsuspecting new guys, or at least give them some informal guidance.

[Marius]

Brian, just an idea here, but maybe it's a good idea to have a whitelist and a blacklist of Ebay sellers in this forum ??? Although everyone is entitled to their own opinion about Ebay sellers, this might help along the unsuspecting new guys, or at least give them some informal guidance.

 

I guess, Drirk's idea is very good. Maybe, with permission, the NMB could publish this information:

 

http://www.nihontokanjipages.com/fake_j ... words.html

 

it should be updated, because the fakes are getting better.

 

Regards

[Brian]

Dirk,

 

I have deliberately resisted the idea of forming a list of "good" and "bad" sellers as I believe this is a potential minefield that we should be wary of. What happens if someone has a bad experience with a "good" seller?

Or if a non-recommended one changes his ways and offers a good deal?

Too much that can go wrong with that, and it isn't really our responsibility to say who is recommended and who isn't. Most of the good ones and bad ones are already mentioned on the forum, and a simple search will pull up info on them. I think that is the best we can do.

As it stands, there are some great sellers already on the forum, and listing all the guys who sell fakes is almost impossible, as they change names so frequently. Nope..there are just too many potential problems associated with that idea.

 

Mariusz, Rich's page is already linked on this forum, and it does a great job. No need to have another one, as there are already good ones on Rich S's and Rich T's pages, and maybe when they have some time (which is a scarce commodity nowdays) they might update a bit.

If someone does want to write a comprehensive guide oneday though, I would always welcome it to add to the articles and archives section.

 

Brian

[Joseph P.]

Oh wow, those fakes are getting better.

The top pictures didn't fool me one bit, but the last two could fool an amateur, and maybe even myself if I wasn't paying attention.

 

It seems that they are forming better kissaki, as well as getting the "grain" under control. Before they looked like slabs of tapered metal.

 

Be Careful! Look at other swords first, and read lots of internet guides before purchasing a sword, these Chinese fakes are getting better and better.

 

(I've always had this question. What kind of steel are those fakes made out of?)

[Marius]

 

Mariusz, Rich's page is already linked on this forum, and it does a great job. (...)

If someone does want to write a comprehensive guide oneday though, I would always welcome it to add to the articles and archives section.

 

Mariusz, Rich's page is already linked on this forum, and it does a great job. No need to have another one, as there are already good ones on Rich S's and Rich T's pages, and maybe when they have some time (which is a scarce commodity nowdays) they might update a bit.

If someone does want to write a comprehensive guide oneday though, I would always welcome it to add to the articles and archives section.

 

Brian,

 

sorry, I should have guessed and checked. As far as the "fake vs. real" manual is concerned, I could give it a try, but what about the pictures? I could add some pics of my real nihonto (no outstanding pieces, though), but otherwise I would violate copyrights... The NMB members could certainly help here with pics of excellent swords and koshirae, but what abouth the fakes?

 

Best regards