Gordon Sanders Posted March 27, 2016 Report Posted March 27, 2016 Hi guys Visiting a friend in China and he showed me a couple of swords. Both seem a bit HINKY, and wanted to run the Mei by you What do you think. Real or fake? My gut says fake with my limited knowledge Quote
Maurice_lmb Posted March 27, 2016 Report Posted March 27, 2016 hi Gordon 1/ taira nagamori 2/ hizen kuni tadayoshi Quote
Jussi Ekholm Posted March 27, 2016 Report Posted March 27, 2016 I agree with Maurice 1. 平長盛 and 2. 肥前国忠吉 1 Quote
Gordon Sanders Posted March 27, 2016 Author Report Posted March 27, 2016 Thanks very much ,jussi and Maurice These are the papers for the hizen Real? Am I that much of a nube? Quote
Gordon Sanders Posted March 27, 2016 Author Report Posted March 27, 2016 I was visiting an antique dealer friend in Kunming China He mentions he has a nice sword Go to his house and my first impression is chinese fake l Opinions ? Quote
Greg F Posted March 27, 2016 Report Posted March 27, 2016 Hi Gordon the link doesnt work for me. Cheers. Greg Quote
Stephen Posted March 27, 2016 Report Posted March 27, 2016 Am I that much of a nube? YES lol Why would China not have serious sword collectors as well? 1 Quote
Mark Posted March 27, 2016 Report Posted March 27, 2016 papers for the Nagamori look genuine to me. The other paper is for a nice tachi koshirae. The Tadayoshi does NOT look like Chinese fake, may or may not be shoshin, if there is a paper post a picture Quote
ROKUJURO Posted March 27, 2016 Report Posted March 27, 2016 On 3/27/2016 at 3:18 PM, Gordon Sanders said: .......He mentions he has a nice sword Go to his house and my first impression is chinese fake....... Gordon, I can't really read Japanese but I don't see HIZEN TADAYOSHI on the paper. The other one is for the NAGAMORI. If I may give you an advice: Don't buy anything until you have aquired the knowledge to tell what is fake and what is genuine. Quote
seattle1 Posted March 27, 2016 Report Posted March 27, 2016 Hello: The Nagamori serial number seems too low for that year, though I don't have full comparators. Arnold F. Quote
Stephen Posted March 27, 2016 Report Posted March 27, 2016 GS ...sounds like i was bit glib ...just being a smart ass, please dont take it the wrong way. Quote
Gordon Sanders Posted March 28, 2016 Author Report Posted March 28, 2016 haha. Interesting. my impression may have been colored by the fact that they are stored in the koshirae and it felt a bit cheap, He absolutely only knows that he was told they were nice. Other than that he has no knowledge. Itis why he asked me. I said I would ask the smart people Guess I am a bit of a noob :-D Quote
drbvac Posted March 28, 2016 Report Posted March 28, 2016 Any pictures of the blades other than the nakago? Quote
Jim P Posted March 30, 2016 Report Posted March 30, 2016 Hi Gordon, A quick look at a few tadayoshi I think you are right to think ? but need pictures of the blade to get a better idea Quote
KarlPeterSmith Posted April 19, 2016 Report Posted April 19, 2016 I may be able to kill 2 birds with one stone here... that crazy looking odd 'kuni' in the Tadayoshi blade matches one signed by both Tadayoshi and Munenaga around 1613-14 (Date derived by signature comparison - from listing every Tadayoshi School sword in the land in chronological order - not from any other ref.) and... I was wanting to contact Paul Bowman after reading about his Niji Mei Shodai/Sandai dilemma from way-way back but this blade in this blog is very current and the data I present here is relevant to the Tadayoshi seen in this thread. I hope this clears up a previously vague area presented in a few books I've seen. You'll also see this pattern of making every-type of blade repeat itself later when the Shodai was teaching the Omi/Nidai around 1631. Stop hating me for presenting the facts as the data shows. Quote
Gordon Sanders Posted April 22, 2016 Author Report Posted April 22, 2016 Hi Guys, I finally received the files from my friend in China. Two blades as mentioned above. Opinions? Quote
Stephen Posted April 22, 2016 Report Posted April 22, 2016 yea just repos, he should send to me for 100 each, be glad to take them clunkers off his hands.... Quote
Gordon Sanders Posted April 22, 2016 Author Report Posted April 22, 2016 Ha. He stores them both in the koshirae and has the shirasaya in the sword bag with the wooden mock sword One item that was interesting was the tsuba were wooden, and very loose Is that normal? Quote
Gordon Sanders Posted April 25, 2016 Author Report Posted April 25, 2016 Really, they are both genuine? The koshirae felt like cheap imitation with wooden tsuba and fk that were loose and falling off But swords are good? Quote
Gordon Sanders Posted April 25, 2016 Author Report Posted April 25, 2016 Well , I was over at Rojers place and he showed me a dozen or so. They seemed to have a much different feel than these My friend with his swords Quote
Stephen Posted April 25, 2016 Report Posted April 25, 2016 out on a limb here, their very real, may be just for display, as in new and not to be carried into battle Quote
Gordon Sanders Posted April 25, 2016 Author Report Posted April 25, 2016 My friend will be pleased to know. He doesn't know anything about swords. Unfortunate he asked me I am glad I can give him the good news Quote
Gordon Sanders Posted April 25, 2016 Author Report Posted April 25, 2016 Thanks very much for the help! Quote
KarlPeterSmith Posted October 12, 2017 Report Posted October 12, 2017 I previously suggested that the sword here was similar to that of a 1613 Tadayoshi... and it kinda is... but a character in the signature was one I had seen before when identifying what I called 'The Dream Team' (from Echizen) ...led by Soboro Sukehiro and his son Tsuda Sukehiro (+ Horimono master Nagasaka Yuhoken who also trained at the Umetada school) and student Sukenao. I will GUESS it was a commission. All info/deduction is in the attached picture. I still think that what is concidered as the 2nd best sword making team ever (just an opinion) produced the SHARPEST SWORDS that we now attribute to SHODAI TADAYOSHI. ................................................................................................................................................................................................... On another note: ............ I'll speculate. A 1628 sword signed Tadayoshi... seems to have been signed by either a child's hand (which would be Yukihiro or the Nidai Tadahiro using Tadayoshi as a name... that is if Masanaga>Tadayoshi(for 1 year) then Masahiro didn't use it for longer)... or the very ill Shodai himself who decided to continue using Tadayoshi while his progeny produced/commissioned Musashi Daijo Fujiwara Tadahiro's. I just at present can't see any 1624-1632 Musashi Tadahiro swords by the Shodai's hands. Quote
Jussi Ekholm Posted October 12, 2017 Report Posted October 12, 2017 Welcome back Karl Peter, haven't seen you in while. It is nice to see your passion for Hizen blades. I am curious, so I'll ask. What is the Taira blade doing in you attached pic? Quote
SwordGuyJoe Posted October 12, 2017 Report Posted October 12, 2017 On 10/12/2017 at 8:24 PM, Jussi Ekholm said: Welcome back Karl Peter, haven't seen you in while. It is nice to see your passion for Hizen blades. I am curious, so I'll ask. What is the Taira blade doing in you attached pic? Oh Karl, I missed you! Welcome back. Quote
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