foma Posted March 27, 2016 Report Posted March 27, 2016 Sirs- What are your thoughts on this? I am considering picking this up but a few items in the horimono in the tang caught some concerns. I'm open to all comments. Thanks, http://www.nihontoantiques.com/project/name-sword-fss-687-naginata/ Quote
Shugyosha Posted March 27, 2016 Report Posted March 27, 2016 It's machi okuri. The horimino would have been entirely on the blade originally but are partially on the tang now that the machi have been moved up. It's not unusual. Quote
foma Posted March 27, 2016 Author Report Posted March 27, 2016 Interesting. How would that impact the value based on what's asked? Quote
ROKUJURO Posted March 27, 2016 Report Posted March 27, 2016 Following the description, it is a KOTO NAGINATA from the EDO period..... Quote
Brian Posted March 27, 2016 Report Posted March 27, 2016 Not too much, I think this is a very nice and desirable naginata. The quality shows in the way the hi are cut, and the length is unusual. Looks like a decent one if you are looking for a naginata and this is in your budget. Quote
Tokaido Posted March 27, 2016 Report Posted March 27, 2016 On 3/27/2016 at 9:58 AM, Shugyosha said: It's machi okuri. The horimino would have been entirely on the blade originally but are partially on the tang now that the machi have been moved up. It's not unusual. Are you sure the horimono has been entirely on the blade before shortening? If machi okuri, that would make the wider hi with its kakinagashi end terminating in kakinagashi above the habaki? I have never seen a hi ending kakinagashi above the habaki;..marudome and kakudome, yes, but kakinagashi? no Greetings Andreas Quote
Shugyosha Posted March 27, 2016 Report Posted March 27, 2016 Hi Andreas, No I'm not sure. Either way, nothing sinister IMHO. Best, John Quote
foma Posted March 27, 2016 Author Report Posted March 27, 2016 There are additional scratches in the tang near the original horimono. Not sure what is. I wonder if the price point is reasonable? Quote
Shugyosha Posted March 27, 2016 Report Posted March 27, 2016 Hi Paul, I'm not sure if I'm allowed to say this so apologies to the moderators if not, but for me, most of the prices on Nihonto Antiques are on the high side. With regard to this sword in particular, from my point of view, it looks like some work has been done in the area around the habaki as it appears to me that there is an area where the patina on the tang is a lighter colour and it was partly this that made me think of machi okuri and also that the hamon appears to extend into this area. The age of the blade would make it more likely that it suffered some damage that was corrected or simply that it was modified to fit a new set of koshirae. I could be wrong though and the shape of the end of the hi might suggest that I am. I would maintain, however, that there is nothing sinister there or out of keeping with the age of the blade. I think what you have to consider is that this is a large, papered, koto blade and these factors pump up the price and it isn't going to be easy to find similar blades in the USA in order to compare it with. If this is a first purchase for you or you aren't feeling some special connection with the blade that makes it worth perhaps paying a little more for, then you might want to reconsider: naginata generally aren't as attractive to buyers as other blade forms and you might find it harder to move on in future. Also, there will always be more swords along in a minute... Best, John Quote
foma Posted March 27, 2016 Author Report Posted March 27, 2016 Thank you, sir. I'll keep that in mind. Quote
Geraint Posted March 27, 2016 Report Posted March 27, 2016 Sigh! Must be great to live in a country where a very long Koto naginata in fresh polish and double gold foiled habaki plus laquered shirasaya with papers is considered dear at that money. I have bought a sword from Niohonto Antiques and found the experience very good, item as described and well packed. I wouldn't hesitate to buy again and I do like this naginata........ All the best. Quote
nagamaki - Franco Posted March 27, 2016 Report Posted March 27, 2016 Hello, This piece has NTHK papers which is fine, except, unless I missed it, what is the point rating for this piece? What are the NBTHK Tokubetsu Hozon "requirements" for this piece? Does this piece meet those requirements? The point I'm trying to make is buy what you like, but understand what it is that you're buying from a student/collectors perspective. Quote
Ken-Hawaii Posted March 27, 2016 Report Posted March 27, 2016 Tensho does put the blade in Momoyama, rather than Edo/Shinto. Ken Quote
Darcy Posted April 1, 2016 Report Posted April 1, 2016 Quote I'm not sure if I'm allowed to say this so apologies to the moderators if not, but for me, most of the prices on Nihonto Antiques are on the high side. To be fair this naginata is priced at less than the cost of the polish and the shirasaya and the habaki. The naginata itself is free. This needs at least to be factored in, that if you buy this thing it's the same expense as finding it in your backyard, then paying to fix it up. Quote
Darcy Posted April 1, 2016 Report Posted April 1, 2016 On 3/27/2016 at 11:53 PM, Ken-Hawaii said: Tensho does put the blade in Momoyama, rather than Edo/Shinto. Ken This is a good point. Momoyama also often gets treated as its own thing. And a good reminder that koto/shinto/shinshinto are high level constructs and should be handled only as such. I get more comfortable all the time with Momoyama being the mixing zone and no very clear divide about when Shinto begins and Koto ends. Quote
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