family mon

[Johannes]

hi all, i cant find any information about this mon, i think it is called "maru no uchini mitsu hikiyo"it would be very kind if someone could share his knowledge or bookshelf with me.

thank you ,johannes

[John A Stuart]

Hi Johannes, That may be the mon of the Ashina family, Mutsu daimyo; or Hirate family, Oda retainers. John

[Martin]

Hi Johannes,

 

you can check these links for more information:

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image ... ikiryo.gif

http://en.allexperts.com/e/s/sa/sakuma_clan.htm

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clan_Sakuma

http://www.geocities.com/azuchiwind/oda12.htm (scroll down a bit)

 

hope this helps

 

cheers,

Martin

[Johannes]

thank you both john and martin, im trying to do some research about mon , but its not so easy. especially for kiri mon i have heard there are up to a hundred different kiri mon in use in the feudal times all i know is 3-5-3 is toyotomi , 5-7-5 is the imperial line, an less pedals is lower ranked. may be one of you has a list with the different kiri mon.

thanks Johannes

[John A Stuart]

Hi, Here are some not so good pics of examples. I tried. I doubt the kanji are legible. John

[Johannes]

thank you john, whats the name of the book?

 

johannes

[John A Stuart]

Hi, An Illustrated Encyclopedia Of Japanese Family Crests. John

[Johannes]

great thanks,johannes

[Curran]

Dear John,

 

Thanks for the post of the Mon book. Should pick it up.

 

You posted the one page with Mon similar to Johannes. I cannot see the kanji of the specific mon. Attached is an image of a mon tsuba by Isso (NBTHK Hozon, student of Ichijo). Can you identify the one mon that is similar to Johannes? I've tried web search before, but did not get a good answer for that mon.

 

Best regards,

[John A Stuart]

Hi Curran, The book I mentioned does not give familial relationship to the kamon just the standardised descriptive of the elements within them. The circle with bars may be of Hatakeyama, Imagawa, Mogami or Satomi. The 4 pierced lozenges may be Kamei, Kimura or Sasa. Being as how they are in combination investigation for relation between any two of those combinations would have to be done to really know what families are represented here. Of course the names I gave you are major families using these mon. There could be hundreds of sub groups using any one or combination of mon. Sorry not much help. John

[uwe]

Hi folks,

I think it`s important to know, if the strokes are horizontal or vertical :?

It's a completely different ball game.

Cheers

Uwe

[John A Stuart]

You are right Uwe, but considering that the tsuba is in the proper orientation I assume that this is the way the kamon should appear as well. John

[uwe]

Hmmm......

than we should contemplate Miura Daimyo at Sagami. Because of "Maru ni mitsubiki"

Good luck

Uwe

[Curran]

Thank you. I haven't learned much about Mon to date. Work has been seriously cutting into Nihonto time, so not sure this will be the Christmas season I put a Mon book into my own stocking.

 

Many of the late Edo kinko seem to have multiple mon mixed and matched on them.

[BC Smith]

This may help out a little more, a couple of pages from "MON The Japanese Family Crest" by W.M.Hawley & Kei Kaneda Chapplear.

Satcho sells these at a very reasonable price.

 

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d131/ ... armon1.jpg

 

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d131/ ... armon2.jpg

 

Regards

 

Bernie

[Brian]

According to this (still an amazing page with weeks worth of reading) it may be Katsumoto, or with the thicker width of the bars seen here, I think more likely to be Yamana?

http://www.geocities.com/kazenaga23/crests3.htm

 

Frequently runs out of bandwidth, so if it doesn't load, then try again in an hour. Also check out some of the other pages there.

 

Brian