KarlPeterSmith Posted February 29, 2016 Report Posted February 29, 2016 To aid my own research... can anyone tell me what the lower character in this picture is please? I'm wondering if it is a variant of Inoue Shinkai's second name? "light above the well that doesn't reach the bottom" kinda stuff... Is it the 1st kanji (another one) he used for Shinkai in the early days? If it means 'made' or 'forged by' as in "Inoue forged this" then WOOHOO. Can anyone - in this community - aid me on the identification of this? Please. Quote
Brian Posted February 29, 2016 Report Posted February 29, 2016 Guys, it's just a translation question. I'm sure we can give a simple answer so that this can be done? 1 Quote
CSM101 Posted February 29, 2016 Report Posted February 29, 2016 Hi Karl, I think that is just belongs to the normal Kanji and is not a separate one. Uwe G, Quote
KarlPeterSmith Posted March 1, 2016 Author Report Posted March 1, 2016 Thanks for rallying the troops Brian. And thanks to CSM101 for the "Sada" Kanji as in "Kuni-Sada". And the bottom character is ??? :-) Quote
Jacques Posted March 1, 2016 Report Posted March 1, 2016 If i'm not wrong, the first ji is Shin 真, not Sada 貞. Can't see well the bottom one. Karl you are really very very amazing (won't say why....) 1 Quote
KarlPeterSmith Posted March 1, 2016 Author Report Posted March 1, 2016 Ooooo... I found one! A similar lower character on a Hizen Kanehiro... it is to do with forging methods. Forged in a certain way or technique. And that's Kanehiro as-in the line that fathered Hirosada. Thank you to Jaques D... for the 'shin' I do think the top character (when compared to this one) swings towards Inoue which would make this "Inoue Forged this"... which I can tell you is off a fully signed Tadahiro blade with theses two characters at the lower end... as if he was just upfront that he made it... or 'forged it'... -- it's just semantics. Quote
Jussi Ekholm Posted March 1, 2016 Report Posted March 1, 2016 I'm happy that I solved this puzzle, I might get a mention in Hizen smith-codex... The image you linked in the op reads 真鍛 shin no kitae. The hints that made me think something fishy is around is you connecting this to Shinkai. When you look at the mei in your op it is a tachi mei and you see ana. As shin no kitae is usually at the bottom of the signature you could guess the hole is second hole on the nakago. So I started checking my mei collection, looking for few certain things, as I knew you were playing a game with us. The image in your op is from Tadahiro sword featured in Token Bijutsu 639 and the sword is also on Markus' Kantei-zenshu (where I believe you got it from). Attached is the sword in TB 639. I do think that it's kinda rude thing to do as you knew the answer to begin with and wanted to play a game with us... But at the same time I had few funny moments solving this so in the end. 1 Quote
SAS Posted March 1, 2016 Report Posted March 1, 2016 I find it strange that you are posting a request for a translation, when you are claiming to be expert enough to have "discovered" a code for Hizen mei....that speaks volumes....are you listening? Quote
Ray Singer Posted March 1, 2016 Report Posted March 1, 2016 On 3/1/2016 at 8:27 PM, Jussi Ekholm said: The image you linked in the op reads 真鍛 shin no kitae. Markus Sesko provides information on this inscription at the link below. http://markussesko.com/2013/02/15/rare-mentionings-of-forging-techniques-in-sword-signatures/ Best regards, Ray 3 Quote
Brian Posted March 2, 2016 Report Posted March 2, 2016 Ray's link to Markus' writings provides the answer for this pointless exercise. Shinkai had nothing to do with this, your theory doesn't hold, and the games are now over. Take a break from the forum for a bit. Thank you. Brian 7 Quote
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