francois2605 Posted July 20, 2021 Report Share Posted July 20, 2021 Interesting. I based my comment on this 6 year-old comment from Markus: here. Are you saying Markus' comment is also based on Chris' ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Flynn Posted July 20, 2021 Report Share Posted July 20, 2021 I believe Markus acquires most of his Gendai info. from Chris. I have found his listing of Shigetsugu, is directly from Chris. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
francois2605 Posted July 20, 2021 Report Share Posted July 20, 2021 Since I was requested to show more pictures of the the sword, I uploaded them to Google Drive here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Posted July 22, 2021 Report Share Posted July 22, 2021 On 7/19/2021 at 9:16 PM, David Flynn said: The only record of this being an early signature of Okimasa is that of Chris Bowen stating such. There is no other record, unless Chris has some direct reference material. Interesting. So, David on what do you base your assumption that this alleged early mei is a fallacy? Do you have any record or proof that would disprove this mei, proving that it was not an early mei of Okimasa? If you have no proof to the contrary, then aren't your comments, statements or accusations exactly what you are accusing Chris of? Making statements without proof? I have no dog in the fight, but would be interested in learning more if you can provide some concrete proof of your accusation that this is not an early mei of Okimasa. Ed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Posted July 22, 2021 Report Share Posted July 22, 2021 KANENORI, MIYAMOTO AKA: SUGUWARA KANENORI TEISHITSU GIGEI IN (Imperial Household Artisan) MEI: TEISHITSU GIGEIIN SUGUWARA KANENORI HACHI JU YON Ō SAKU DATE: TAISHO GAN NEN HACHI GATSU KICHI JITSU NAGASA: 75.565 cm (29.75″) OVERALL: 95.567 cm (37.625″) For more photos and information: https://yakiba.com/kanenori-miyamoto/ 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Flynn Posted July 23, 2021 Report Share Posted July 23, 2021 Ed, the only reference to these early Mei, comes from Chris Bowen. I have received info from Chris saying that, his info on this comes from Token Shibata May, Showa 53 edition of Token Shibata's monthly catalog, "REI", There is an article from Okimasa's Polisher talking about his early signatures. There aren't any other documents concerning this. Token Shibata's catalogue is basically just a sales catalogue , including some relevant info on smiths. Chris, also commented that this claim was confirmed with Okimasa's nephew. To me ( also by definition) , this is hearsay. The are absolutely no other references available to confirm these claims. This reference in Token Shibata being the only one, now may not be contested. However, one must consider, why there has never been another reference? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucidorise Posted July 23, 2021 Report Share Posted July 23, 2021 Another source stating okimasa’s early mei (kazuyuki). 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael 67 Posted July 23, 2021 Report Share Posted July 23, 2021 Hi ronnie, Thank you for the post. I am grateful for any information. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
francois2605 Posted July 23, 2021 Report Share Posted July 23, 2021 1 hour ago, lucidorise said: Another source stating okimasa’s early mei (kazuyuki). Thanks Ronnie, what is that source please ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucidorise Posted July 23, 2021 Report Share Posted July 23, 2021 Hi Francois, It’s from this book call gendaito no hyaku nen. (100 years of gendaito) 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiipu Posted July 23, 2021 Report Share Posted July 23, 2021 (edited) Thank you ronnie for the picture of the book cover. I was able to locate the required information over at the National Diet Library. It is a a small book of only 71 pages that was published in 2010. The characters 継承 can be translated as succession, accession, or inheritance. Jingū chōkokan nōgyō-kan 神宮徴古館農業館 [Jingū History & Agricultural Museums]. Gendaigatana no hyaku-nen: Fukkō to keishō 現代刀の100年: 復興と継承 [One Hundred Years of Modern Swords: Revival and Succession]. Ise 伊勢: Jingū chōkokan nōgyō-kan 神宮徴古館農業館, 2010. Edited July 25, 2021 by Kiipu 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ooitame Posted July 23, 2021 Report Share Posted July 23, 2021 Awaiting a polish and will post some hopefully lovely pics. Might be some time until then. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Posted July 24, 2021 Report Share Posted July 24, 2021 Kato Kanefusa, real name Kato Koichi, also known as 23rd generation Kanefusa as well as Fujiwara Kanefusa. He was trained by Kato Yosinosuke Jumyo. Kanefusa was rated as a 1 million yen smith. He made medium to high grade Showato and medium to high grade Gendaito as in this example. He won 1st seat at the 1941 exhibition. Kanefusa is listed in the Toko Taikan (TK-126), Hawleys (KAN-799, 747, 801), Nihonto Meikan (NMK-179), and Sesko’s, Sword Smiths of Japan pg 200 (see below). His work can be seen in Slough’s, Modern Japanese Sword Smiths pg 39 Additional photos: https://yakiba.com/kanefusa-23rd-generation/ 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonely panet Posted July 24, 2021 Author Report Share Posted July 24, 2021 the whole idea of the post was gunto as a whole mounted. not really just gendai in shirasaya 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IJASWORDS Posted July 25, 2021 Report Share Posted July 25, 2021 That's pretty true Hamfish, thats why I started the high class Gendai thread. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IJASWORDS Posted August 23, 2021 Report Share Posted August 23, 2021 To keep this thread alive. A 1943 (Kajiwara) HIROMITSU, a FUKUOKA smith. A GENDAITO in civilian mounts, with leather combat SAYA. The en-suite SHOWA period tsuba and F/K set are an attractive feature. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Posted August 23, 2021 Report Share Posted August 23, 2021 Outstanding Neil, one of the finest collections I've ever seen. Cheers 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PNSSHOGUN Posted August 23, 2021 Report Share Posted August 23, 2021 Yasukuni-To by Abe Yasushige in nice mounts. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IJASWORDS Posted August 24, 2021 Report Share Posted August 24, 2021 At the moment locked down in Sydney, raining, so a good day to check out the sword cupboard, and to re-acquaint yourself with old (sword) friends . I pulled out a Spring 1939, KOA ISSHIN MANTETSU SAKU KORE. If you check out the HAMON, it is not your usual straight SUGUHA, but exhibits a "wavy" nature. You don't see that very often. Bruce has the MUNE stamp numbers. Being 1939, it is in early mounts, pierced tsuba, center latch etc, but is in an uncommon green painted saya, with fittings that are painted red that shows off nicely the gold highlights. Obviously this outfit shows the patina of war use, but that adds to its original intent as a weapon to be carried. So not bad for an 82 year old sword. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robinalexander Posted August 24, 2021 Report Share Posted August 24, 2021 Very nice Neil. To my untrained eye the blade looks more slender with a nicer form than other Mantetsu's I have seen. Is it just my imagination? Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunny Posted August 24, 2021 Report Share Posted August 24, 2021 On 1/26/2016 at 2:02 AM, Michael 67 said: Shodai and Nidai minamoto Yoshichika with cuttingtest by hakudo Hello If you ever want to sell the Nidai please let me know Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PNSSHOGUN Posted August 24, 2021 Report Share Posted August 24, 2021 One of the best Koa Isshin you will find. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunny Posted August 24, 2021 Report Share Posted August 24, 2021 24 minutes ago, Steven Edmund said: Hello If you ever want to sell the Nidai please let me know Thanks or Shodai. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PNSSHOGUN Posted August 24, 2021 Report Share Posted August 24, 2021 Probably best saved for PM's @Steven Edmund Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunny Posted August 24, 2021 Report Share Posted August 24, 2021 3 hours ago, PNSSHOGUN said: Probably best saved for PM's @Steven Edmund True ...but you seen the message ...and if you have one to sell or know someone I want to buy that one too. I already own Hakudos personal sword and another second gen....but ....the more the merrier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BANGBANGSAN Posted August 24, 2021 Report Share Posted August 24, 2021 14 hours ago, IJASWORDS said: 14 hours ago, IJASWORDS said: If you check out the HAMON, it is not your usual straight SUGUHA, but exhibits a "wavy" nature. You don't see that very often. Neil I also had one 1944 Mantetsu with Wavy hamon. Ohmura said:例外的に乱刃が存在する。恐らく特注品であろう。It sould be special order. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PNSSHOGUN Posted August 25, 2021 Report Share Posted August 25, 2021 10 hours ago, Steven Edmund said: True ...but you seen the message ...and if you have one to sell or know someone I want to buy that one too. I already own Hakudos personal sword and another second gen....but ....the more the merrier. Please share your Yoshichika, especially Hakudo's sword! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunny Posted August 25, 2021 Report Share Posted August 25, 2021 Just look online...it's the one he's using before the Emperor in the black and white film wearing the white Gi 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunny Posted August 25, 2021 Report Share Posted August 25, 2021 13 hours ago, PNSSHOGUN said: Please share your Yoshichika, especially Hakudo's sword! This sword isn't my most valuable but it means the most to my heart...so ...here's one photo because you said please 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IJASWORDS Posted September 3, 2021 Report Share Posted September 3, 2021 Have I posted this one before? No idea, but with Australia's lockdown laws, I am looking for something to do. I picked this up ages ago from a collector that didn't like the polish, his loss is my gain I guess, I LOVE it! A Hokke Saburo NOBUFUSA, no date, in my view a very good smith. It also helps being in mint mounts as well. I acknowledge the page from Slough's wonderful book. 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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