Last-Samurai Posted October 22, 2007 Report Posted October 22, 2007 Hello to everybody! This is my first post. Does somebody know if this objekt is old Japan or old china? And what is the name for it? In my opinion it is a weapon and not for fishing use, it is iron, three bladed, and 55 cm long (1/2 meter), unsigned. It would be grateful if somebody could help me! Greetings Last-Samurai
remzy Posted October 22, 2007 Report Posted October 22, 2007 This doesnt look like much of a weapon to me... and if it is, i fail to imagine how this could possibly be of use on a battlefield. Where did you get that? it kind of remind me of some sort of fence metalwork. I could be completly wrong tho. Remy
Brian Posted October 22, 2007 Report Posted October 22, 2007 Hi LS (Please sign posts with a name and initial as per the rules, thanks) Definitely not Japanese in origin. It may be Chinese, but I can't find anything similar in Chinese weaponry. The Chinese tiger fork is a trident, but not as ornate as this. I will take a look through Stones Glossary and see if I can find anything similar, but it may be Burmese, Nepalese etc etc. Your best bet would be to post on one of the ethnographic edged weapons forums such as http://forums.swordforum.com as they should have people who specialise in similar items. Interesting item, looks a bit ceremonial to me. Regards, Brian
Last-Samurai Posted October 22, 2007 Author Report Posted October 22, 2007 Thanx Sorry,what do you mean signing the posts with name, before i posted i looked to other posts, have i something forgotten??? Greetings
Brian Posted October 22, 2007 Report Posted October 22, 2007 Closest possible I was able to come to: Linstock A linstock (also called a lintstock) (adapted from the Dutch lontstok, "match stick") is a kind of torch made of a stout stick or metal a yard in length, with a fork at one end to hold a lighted slow match, and a point at the other to stick in the ground. Linstocks were used for discharging cannons in the early days of artillery They vary in shape. Could those side ends hold a fuse? http://www.nps.gov/history/museum/exhib ... stock.html http://images.google.co.za/images?hl=en ... a=N&tab=wi Brian (Edit to add: Just means signing your post at the end with an inital and surname, or first name and initial. )
IanB Posted October 23, 2007 Report Posted October 23, 2007 All, At first glance this does look Chinese but the tapered tang rather than a socket indicates otherwise. The form is not a problem as the Chinese came up with some pretty wacky staff weapons. In the Royal Armouries we had dozens, 19th century copies of early staff weapons originally in Nanking but destroyed by bombing. Most of these weapons had a knop between the socket and the head proper. Although I have never seen anything exactly like this, its general form seems to shows a lot of Chinese influence whilst the use of a tang suggests somewhere in the South East Asian area. The knop above the tang would stop the blade driving into the shaft and splitting it. All in all I would hazard somewhere like Indonesia as the origin. Ian B.
Last-Samurai Posted October 25, 2007 Author Report Posted October 25, 2007 Thanks for all ideas till this point! Greetings Last-Samurai
Last-Samurai Posted November 23, 2007 Author Report Posted November 23, 2007 Are there any other ideas or facts? Greetings
Bungo Posted November 23, 2007 Report Posted November 23, 2007 Is Last the first name and Samurai the family name4 ? milt
AndreasU Posted November 23, 2007 Report Posted November 23, 2007 Hmm, for me it looks like a simple oil lamp holder. Or some fantasy forging. Anyhow, it does not look old for me. I think someone made it some years ago and make it appear old. There are clearly visible welding spots. Andreas
Brian Posted November 24, 2007 Report Posted November 24, 2007 Hi. Pm sent about the name issue. Since this isn't Japanese, I think it is beyond the scope of this forum, and the best would be to post it on the other forum I mentioned above. They should be able to help more than we can with our Nihonto interests. Good luck with it. Brian
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