Flower Pattern Steel ????

[sashko1]

Hey guys,

 

have you ever heard of the "Flower Pattern Steel"? If so, what is it? What are the specs of it?

 

Sashko.

[Russell P]

Sashko

 

Not sure about the steel but there are hamon that are plant related

 

Kikusui chrysanthemum

Yoshino cherry blossom

Tatsuta maple leaves

 

Russell

[sashko1]

No, I don't think this is relevant.

That has to do with a fake sword. When I inquired about the type of steel / carbon content of the blade the previous owner said it was "Flower Pattern Steel". I have never heard of it.

 

Sashko.

[remzy]

Fake term for a fake sword perhaps.

 

I have yet to see these plant hamons tho, anyone got some exemples to show me/us? thanks

[Russell P]

http://www.nihonto.us/KINMICHI%20KOGATA ... IKUSUI.htm

 

Here is one

 

Russell

[Brian]

I think this isn't referring to a Japanese steel, but a technique used in damascus steel where they have the ability to forge patterns into the steel.

Also seen in ancient damascus steel and wootz. You get ladder damascus, rose damascus etc etc.

Not a Japanese thing though, and of no real value in this case I assume.

 

Brian

[Ken-Hawaii]

Sashko, are you talking about something like this? http://cgi.ebay.com/Donnelly-Mosaic-Dam ... dZViewItem

[Henry Wilson]

I must say being a seasoned collector of 4 years and probably knowing all there is to know about swords that is the first time I have seen such a hamon other than in text books.

 

http://www.nihonto.us/KINMICHI%20KOGATA ... IKUSUI.htm

 

Thanks for sharing.

 

Saying that it therefore must be FAKE and made in another Asian country that is very famous for "faking" everything. .Just a joke and I don't mean that . My point is just becasue something looks a bit unusually or you have never seen such an example before does not mean it is fake. Obvious I know

 

[Rich T]

Me too Henry, and they are just as gastly

 

Rich

[Henry Wilson]

Hi Rich

 

My first impression was it was quite nice but after looking at it again it is a bit strange. I would be interested to see how it looks on a sword. I think that would be very scary and just in time for halloween. Does anyone have any pics?

 

Have a nice flight BTW

[John A Stuart]

Here is an oshigata of a kikusui hamon. John

[Martin]

this might be Kikusui Hamon (Chysanthemum in the river).

[Brian]

Of course I just have to clarify that my comments were directed at the original post, and not the posting of the Kinmichi kogatana.

 

Sashko had already said:

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No, I don't think this is relevant.

That (This?) has to do with a fake sword.

So I was of course referring to "flower steel" and not anything hamon based.

 

If it was directed at the hamon, that is an entirely different matter. But when spoken about in reference to the steel pattern on a fake sword, it can only mean a real or fake damascus pattern, where rose pattern is one of the known variants. However on a fake, it is likely not even damascus, but an etched pattern, and does not need to be elaborated on too much here.

There is a ton of info on the net about early damascus steel and patterns, but it is beyond the scope of this forum

 

That kikusui hamon is very interesting, and well done of course. Does not appeal to most Nihonto purists, but is an art form on its own. Not my taste exactly..but I can see how much skill it must take.

 

Regards,

Brian

[John A Stuart]

Hi Martin, There are some modern experimentors that are producing their versions of the florid hamon types. I think that is one. I know I've seen that before. John