Question About The Ryowazamono

[gauze3539]

Hi.

I was wondering if other things being held constant, does Ryowazamono hozonto in both KK and KKB smith sword worth more than the lesser level hozonto?

 

Thanks.

 

Jason C

[Alex A]

Not in my book, buy the sword, not the ranking lol

 

ps, whats KK KKB, im behind the times

[Kronos]

Kaihō Kenjaku and Kokon Kaji Bikō.

[Alex A]

Thanks James, i can rest my brain now

[gauze3539]

so the Wazamono grade system doesn't affect the value of the sword at all? One of my Hozon mumei belongs to Shodai Osaka Tadayuki, the younger brother of Shodai Tadatsuna at Settsu Tadatsuna school, seems falling off on on Ryo Wazamono on both KK KKB lists. That's why I am still curious about it. I need study more of this thing. lol   Thank you.

 

Jason  

[Alex A]

Hi Jason, im sure a lot of folk will tell you that it adds value, especially someone who owns one or is selling one . Im pretty sure it added value back in Shinto/Shinshinto times when swords were tested. A good book on the subject is Tameshigiri by Markus.

[gauze3539]

  On 7/21/2015 at 4:59 PM, Alex A said:

Hi Jason, im sure a lot of folk will tell you that it adds value, especially someone who owns one or is selling one . Im pretty sure it added value back in Shinto/Shinshinto times when swords were tested. A good book on the subject is Tameshigiri by Markus.

Thanks Alex for the good book. I got the book on the Ebay and it's coming. Very interested to know this system.

[Surfson]

I'm sure that if you spent the time you would find a correlation between level of sharpness and value, though I don't know how strong it would be.  If one inspects the the names on a saijo owazamono list, they are all big names and likely to be expensive (see below).  I have examples of three of these guys, though I have no plans to test their cutting ability!   As you can see, not all are the "biggest" names, and not all of the "biggest" names are on the list, so the correlation will not be perfect.  Also note that I got this list off of a Wikipedia article (that seems to be well done), and can't tell you how definitive is this list compared to other lists that might be out there.

 

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Wazamono

 

If you go to the Wikipedia link, you will find the list of owazamono, ryowazamono and wazamono.  Comparing all of these names, I would still expect that there would be a price correlation.  For instance, one could compare prices of wazamono to saijo owazamono.  But there will be lots of exceptions.  For instance, Inoue Shinkai is only listed as wazamono, yet his swords are quite expensive.  Too bad we don't have a big book of sword prices the way that guitars, guns, furniture etc. fields have!  Then this would be an easy statistical comparison to do and you would have your answer.   Cheers, Surf

 

• Osafune Hidemitsu (長船秀光^?)
• Mihara Masaie (三原正家^?) I
• Osafune Motoshige (長船元重^?)
• Nagasone Okisato (長曾弥興里^?) = Nagasone Kotetsu (虎徹^?) I
• Nagasone Okimasa (長曾弥興正^?) = Kotetsu II
• Seikan Kanemoto (清関兼元^?) = Kanemoto I
• Magoroku Kanemoto (孫六兼元^?) = Kanemoto II
• Izumi no Kami Kanesada (ja:和泉守兼定^?) = Kanesada II or "Nosada"
• Sendai Kunikane I (初代仙台国包^?)
• Sukehiro I = Soboro Sukehiro (ソボロ助広^?)
• Tadayoshi I (初代忠吉^?)
• Tadayoshi III = Mutsu no Kami Tadayoshi (陸奥守忠吉^?)
• Tatara Nagayuki (多々良長幸^?)
• Sanzen Nagamichi I (初代三善長道^?)

[Geraint]

Dear Jason.

 

Just to add that a copy of the listings with some points value is to be found at, http://www.jp-sword.com/

 

The rubric seems to suggest that while initially the ranking was based on cutting ability it latterly came to be more of a general ranking.

 

All the best

[Guido]

Does nobody read the NMB articles anymore? http://www.militaria.co.za/nmb/forum/79-wazamono/

 

  On 7/26/2015 at 8:32 AM, Geraint said:

The rubric seems to suggest that while initially the ranking was based on cutting ability it latterly came to be more of a general ranking.

 

I'm not sure how you came to that conclusion, could you elaborate?

[Geraint]

Dear Guido.

 

My mistake, skim reading I assumed that the later publications had revised the listings but on more careful reading note that they only assigned a notional value to each blade.  

All the best.