Would You Consider These As Daisho Set?

[Stephen]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/151738152822?_trksid=p2055359.m1431.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/151738151543?_trksid=p2055359.m1431.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

[Pete Klein]

I sort'a doubt it as they both have two hitsu ana and if they had been made as a 'Dai-Sho' set (as in custom order) that would be improper.  Having said this, it's always possible to have two tsuba be 'Dai-Sho' but without them being with the original koshirae I'd lean towards 'No'.

[SwordGuyJoe]

I wouldn't strictly because of the "gold" around the kogai and kozuka hitsu ana.  It - to me - would be too apparent that they aren't meant to be together.  Other than that, they are pretty darn close. 

[Stephen]

Well to me they look to be done by the same hand, is there a iron clad rule dai-sho have to be more alike than not.

[Stephen]

just seen Pete's post, (damn cellphone) so they have opposite ana plugged would that play into things?

[Guido]

  On 7/11/2015 at 10:57 PM, Pete Klein said:

I sort'a doubt it as they both have two hitsu ana and if they had been made as a 'Dai-Sho' set (as in custom order) that would be improper.

 

Many daishō-tsuba have kozuka-hitsu-ana and kōgai-hitsu-ana on both dai and shō, a Google picture search for "大小鍔" will show quite a few examples:

[Pete Klein]

Guido -- yes, you are correct.  I found a number of dai sho sword sets on-line and all had such tsuba. 

[Stephen]

but no consensuses on it being daisho? 

plainly go together as it tells the story of a fisherman running home after being attacked by dive bombing birds protecting his head with umbrella.   

[seattle1]

Hello:

They look something like the work of Nara Tsuneshige. While he worked in soft metal and often did not sign his work, he is considered a tsuba-ko, as distinct from a kinko artist, but Torigoye and Haynes.

Arnold F.

[Brian]

No, I don't think they are a daisho. But would go well together anyways, since we know that daisho often didn't match exactly.

 

Brian

[kaigunair]

You probably touched on something important regarding the mis-match of themes.  They were probably made by the same hand, but if we imagined these as sukashi themes, noticing the similarity of construction would more likely indicate same "school" vs a formal dai-sho set.

 

[Geraint]

I think the answer might be, "Two tsuba on a common design and probably from the same school" if I were the buyer or, "A fine daisho of kinko tsuba in precious shinchu, clearly by the same artist.  The quality of the carving speaks for itself and the fact that work of this standard is unsigned suggests that they were commissioned by a Daimyo."