christianmalterre Posted July 8, 2015 Report Posted July 8, 2015 Dear Gentlemen, i´d ben happy so to post some real "Ko-Kinko" pieces here- it may be fruitful for the beginners, so to see and maybe "feel" about- of what "Ko- Kinko" is. ? (take it- do leave it...) Christian 1 Quote
christianmalterre Posted July 8, 2015 Author Report Posted July 8, 2015 seems, some guys here didn´t understand pretty well the sentence....? well?-LOL! this one is for "take it- -just do let it"... !! "How-Ho-Hot-Puh!" and you? (???) LOL! Me Quote
Guido Posted July 9, 2015 Report Posted July 9, 2015 On 7/8/2015 at 10:38 PM, christianmalterre said: seems, some guys here didn´t understand pretty well the sentence....? Probably because of their poor English and lack of humor. Quote
Curran Posted July 9, 2015 Report Posted July 9, 2015 http://www.choshuya.co.jp/sale/kokinkou/kokinkou_sp_index.htm Also a rather large technicolor one I have. About 9.5cm in size, papered ko-kinko. Compared in size next to a Hirata. Quote
Soshin Posted July 9, 2015 Report Posted July 9, 2015 Jidai Ko-Kinko tsuba as a birthday gift from a friend who also collects tsuba. The base metal is refined copper. The photo was taken with my new iPhone 6+ which does nice photos. Enjoy it or not I could really careless because it was a gift not often given... 1 Quote
Stephen Posted July 9, 2015 Report Posted July 9, 2015 Hallmark moment "its the thought that counts" 1 Quote
rkg Posted July 9, 2015 Report Posted July 9, 2015 Ah, I just got a couple of new "cheep and cheerful" ones that I just posted over on the kodogu no sekai facebook page: first, a piece actually papered to ko-kinko: http://www.rkgphotos.com/recent_stuff/new_ko_kinko_tsuba_3_4/kokinko_1a_front.jpg http://www.rkgphotos.com/recent_stuff/new_ko_kinko_tsuba_3_4/kokinko_1a_back.jpg second, one I believe to be ko-kinko: http://www.rkgphotos.com/recent_stuff/new_ko_kinko_tsuba_3_4/kokinko_kiku_front.jpg http://www.rkgphotos.com/recent_stuff/new_ko_kinko_tsuba_3_4/kokinko_kiku_shiny_front.jpg http://www.rkgphotos.com/recent_stuff/new_ko_kinko_tsuba_3_4/kokinko_kiku_back.jpg Best, rkg (Richard George) 1 Quote
Brian Posted July 9, 2015 Report Posted July 9, 2015 Christian, Sometimes I think you must live at a very high altitude..where the air is very thin. :rotfl: Brian PS - Here is one I wish was ko-kinko, but is likely a late Edo interpretation of it. Quote
John A Stuart Posted July 9, 2015 Report Posted July 9, 2015 That kiku tsuba Curran, do you consider as one of those nicknamed San Diego tsuba? John Quote
Guido Posted July 10, 2015 Report Posted July 10, 2015 Ko-kinkō? Can do, Yoda! Tokubetsu Hozon: 1 Quote
Curran Posted July 10, 2015 Report Posted July 10, 2015 John: sorry, forgive the east coast centric perspective- but I don't understand. I'm probably 10x more familiar with Italy, Korea, and Japan than anything having to do with California. Can you explain? The appeal of that tsuba to me is that it just has layers of patina and color variation that just give the same vibe as old negoro. The simplicity and seppa dai also remind me a lot of Hirata Hikozo works, and such works were probably a foundation for his designs. It is not coincidental that I photographed it with a Hirata (nidai). Anyone wannta loan me a Hikozo for a photo of the two, I'll gladly accept it. Guido: I have seen that before. Monkeys are not a theme I like very much, but the depiction of yours has an old elegance that I've always liked. Nice depiction of "reaching for the moon" [Overreach]. Especially when he appears so relaxed on the other side. Quote
Steve Waszak Posted July 10, 2015 Report Posted July 10, 2015 Hi Curran, I believe John is referring to the group of tsuba recovered from the shipwreck of the Spanish vessel, the San Diego, which went down in the middle of the Momoyama Period, around 1600 if I recall correctly... Cheers, Steve 1 Quote
Brian Posted July 10, 2015 Report Posted July 10, 2015 http://www.militaria.co.za/nmb/topic/15017-san-diego-tsuba Brian Quote
John A Stuart Posted July 10, 2015 Report Posted July 10, 2015 Yes, there were many kiku form tsuba in the cargo as well as others. The patina on your's Curran made me think of sea salvage. John http://www.shibuiswords.com/sandiego.htm Quote
Grey Doffin Posted July 10, 2015 Report Posted July 10, 2015 Fuchi/kashira papered to Ko-Kinko by the Fittings Museum. Grey Quote
Pete Klein Posted July 10, 2015 Report Posted July 10, 2015 "The patina on your's Curran made me think of sea salvage"... Good innuendo is priceless! LOL Quote
Curran Posted July 10, 2015 Report Posted July 10, 2015 On 7/10/2015 at 6:31 PM, Pete Klein said: "The patina on your's Curran made me think of sea salvage"... Good innuendo is priceless! LOL Ah well, if he doesn't like it- he doesn't like it. Quote
John A Stuart Posted July 10, 2015 Report Posted July 10, 2015 It sounds worse than I meant Pete. Not really dissing it Curran. John Quote
Pete Klein Posted July 10, 2015 Report Posted July 10, 2015 LOL -- I'm just having fun, in more ways than one. Quote
jlawson Posted July 10, 2015 Report Posted July 10, 2015 I am liking this term of "sea salvage". At the shows of late I have seen a lot of things I thought might be sea salvage, sounds so much nicer than what could be said. :-) Quote
MauroP Posted July 12, 2015 Report Posted July 12, 2015 Hi everybody, I'm still unsure what this topic is about, anyway I wish to present a tsuba I think is ko-kinkō. The patina is greenish-brownish, really difficult to take in picture. Dimensions 68.2 x 63 x 3 mm, weight 76 g. I have also some sanmai awase tsuba (三枚合鐔), which usually, if papered, obtain a ko-kinkō attribution (but none of mine has a certificate). Bye, Mauro Quote
Marius Posted July 12, 2015 Report Posted July 12, 2015 Mauro, Your tsuba may be ko-kinko. But the karakusa carving seems to be later than the plate. It is too rigid and too controlled to be earlier than Edo. Also, I cannot see any wear in it. Just my opinion. Please compare this with one of my tsuba... 1 Quote
MauroP Posted July 14, 2015 Report Posted July 14, 2015 Thank you Marius for commenting on my tsuba. I consider you the go-to guy for ko-kinkō tsuba, and I take your opinion in the utmost consideration. Bye, Mauro Quote
Marius Posted July 14, 2015 Report Posted July 14, 2015 Mauro, Thank you for your kind words. I might be dead wrong and the carving might as well be original to the plate. With the enlarged hitsu ana encroaching on the design it looks old enough. But the carving is clean on the inside, no traces of lacquer... So it looks like a later addition (I say "looks" which is not equal to "is") My opinion is... just an opinion, not very educated, too. It is a very nice ko-kinko guard in any case Quote
rkg Posted July 16, 2015 Report Posted July 16, 2015 While being crazy busy photographing other people's pieces, I took the time to photograph another one of my ko-kinko tsuba. I've had this one for a while, but hadn't photographed it for a long time. Enjoy, rkg (Richard George) 5 Quote
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