kaigunair Posted March 11, 2015 Report Posted March 11, 2015 Anyone seen a rose depicted in tosogu, or can post a pic of what would be the traditional form of a rose in Japanese early edo art? I'm hazarding a guess that the image of a rose in Edo period Japan doesn't resemble the same type of FTD "dozen red roses" we normally associate with Valentines day here in the West. The examples I'm looking at make me think they can easily resemble botan flowers: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosa_multiflora http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosa_rugosa Any pointers towards reference books or ideas on how to go about looking up how a rose might have been depicted in Edo Japan would be much appreciated. (FYI, This line of research does not have anything to do with a late V-day gift or an "I'm Sorry" gesture for the Mrs!) Thanks in advance. Quote
Marius Posted March 12, 2015 Report Posted March 12, 2015 Junichi, you might want to try to find one among all those crests: http://www.tozandoshop.com/v/vspfiles/kamon/plant1.html Quote
kaigunair Posted March 12, 2015 Author Report Posted March 12, 2015 Ah, excellent idea mariusz! Thanks. Quote
Guido Posted March 14, 2015 Report Posted March 14, 2015 Junichi, the two types of roses you linked to are called nobara ノバラ and hamanasu ハマナス respectively in Japanese; maybe that helps with your search. Quote
k morita Posted March 14, 2015 Report Posted March 14, 2015 Hi, Hamanasu and yamabuki are the meaning of "a Japanese rose" in English. Especially, yamabuki ( 山吹 ) was drawn in many paitings and ukiyoe. Quote
kaigunair Posted March 14, 2015 Author Report Posted March 14, 2015 Thank you Guido and Morita-San! No luck with the kamons, so I appreciate the new research leads! Quote
Marius Posted March 14, 2015 Report Posted March 14, 2015 Junichi look again: http://www.tozandoshop.com/v/vspfiles/kamon/plant1.html Three crests with yamabuki. Quote
kaigunair Posted March 15, 2015 Author Report Posted March 15, 2015 Ah, yamabuki and "Kerria". Thanks all! Definitely doesn't look like a western rose. Really appreciate the help and makes me glad there is a forum like this, with people like you on it! Quote
John A Stuart Posted March 15, 2015 Report Posted March 15, 2015 This tsuba has the mountain rose in the design. By Hosono Masamori, 18th/19th century Of rounded rectangular form, delicately engraved in kebori with a nobleman on horseback, resting by a stream for his horse to drink, slight details inlaid in gold and silver honzogan, signed Hosono Sozaemon Masamori with kao. 6.4cm (2½in). Footnotes 鍔 貴人に馬 銘「細野惣左衛門 政守花押」 18/19世紀 The design alludes to a famous poem by Fujiwara no Shunzei (11141204), Shinkokinshu anthology, Book 2, no.149: Koma tomete / nao mizu kawan ya / yamabuki no / hana no tsuru sou / Ide no Tamagawa When I halt my horse / to water him once again / dew drops fall from the / petals of the mountain rose / at Ide's Jewel River Quote
kaigunair Posted March 16, 2015 Author Report Posted March 16, 2015 Thanks john. Saw that one along with another from Christies, but the latter didn't have good images. This one looks almost identical to cherry blossoms to me, but in context of the overall design makes sense that it would be roses. Been an interesting learning experience.... Quote
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