1tallsword Posted November 7, 2014 Report Posted November 7, 2014 hey folks. thought i would share my latest addition. I plan on sending it for papers but thought it would be fun to see your opinions and thoughts on school,period and possible maker. it is mumei o-suriage ..nagasa is 28 inches, nakago is 8.5 inches., 36.5 inches total length.blade has been shortened about 7 inches or so, original nagasa would be about 34-35 inches by my opinion. has three mekugi anna, one at nakago jiri. flash washes color out but rust is a deep patina with black at jiri. sori is more towards nakago end. motohaba is 1 1/4 inches motokasane is 5/16 of an inch. kissaki is 2 inches. lets here your thoughts folks... i want to have some fun with this, enjoy :D sorry about the full length pic, its distorted a little and not good. Quote
hxv Posted November 7, 2014 Report Posted November 7, 2014 Jeremy, We need clear, focused pictures to make guesses. But, be that as it may, I will throw my dart at the board: nambokucho jidai, Bizen tradition, Kozori school. Nice sword with great fittings. Congrats! Regards, Hoanh Quote
1tallsword Posted November 7, 2014 Author Report Posted November 7, 2014 thank you Hoanh for all your kind comments on my posts. sorry about the pics, its the best i can do at the moment, being a combination of my crappy dinosaur camera and my terrible camera skills i'm surprised they turned out half as good as they did.. :lol: Quote
nihonto1001 Posted November 7, 2014 Report Posted November 7, 2014 I'll be the second to give it a shot. How about Shitahara, late Muromachi, made in the spirit of the Nambokucho Period. Nice sword. Quote
Darcy Posted November 7, 2014 Report Posted November 7, 2014 That is a nice sword. I think it is Soden Bizen and best guess is around Motoshige at the top end. Would like to see the boshi clear. When not awake and strange times and with a good photo. You have a wide circle around there Kozori is one but I think this looks better quality than that. Masamitsu, Kanemitsu possible. Omiya. Wide circle there at the end of the Nanbokucho in Osafune. Good swords, looks healthy. Quote
mr botanical Posted November 7, 2014 Report Posted November 7, 2014 1tallsword said: more hi Jeremy, what are those symmetrical streaks I see in the 3 pics? Quote
Ken-Hawaii Posted November 7, 2014 Report Posted November 7, 2014 Chris, in photo 0009-1, I see what looks to be a faint bo-utsuri, but I can't spot it in any of the other shots. Pretty lighting-dependent. Ken Quote
nihonto1001 Posted November 8, 2014 Report Posted November 8, 2014 I do not see utsuri. It does not mean it is not there. I just cannot see it without using my imagination. The jigane seems to have a whitish hue, which makes me think either Chikuzen province, or Muromachi-early Shinto Period. Quote
1tallsword Posted November 8, 2014 Author Report Posted November 8, 2014 in hand there is utsuri... I will try for some better pics latter today, thank you all who have tuned in and I really appreciate all your folks time. Quote
1tallsword Posted March 27, 2015 Author Report Posted March 27, 2015 UPDATE FOLKS..... I have been provided with found paper work from the previous deceased owners son. this sword was his fathers that passed away and as long back as he can recall his father owned it. it was purchased by him sometime before 1977..the date and how he came to own it is unclear.it has been stored away until his passing and his son discovering it and selling it to me. just a little history there for you folks..... anyway the paper work suggests the sword to be made by owari kanenobu 1317-1331. my research has fallen short of any info really on this smith other than his school was Kaneuji I believe and father was Kunitsugu I believe. your thoughts,opinions and any info you have on this smith would be great. I have not be successful finding a picture of one of this smiths swords for compare and study to mine. thank you in advance. Quote
Jean Posted March 27, 2015 Report Posted March 27, 2015 Too early to be in the school of Mino Kaneuji, moreover Seki . No mention of Owari. Seki smiths are rather Kinju (Kane Shige). Kaneuji is Tegai then with Masamune a mix of Soshu. Quote
SAS Posted March 28, 2015 Report Posted March 28, 2015 I am not in the league of doing kantei, but my impression was a Muromachi cut down nodachi. Beautiful sword and polish seems very good. Quote
Darcy Posted March 28, 2015 Report Posted March 28, 2015 Man must have been an insomnia night for me. I don't even remember writing the above. My second look which I thought was my first, made me think Iwami Sadatsuna. I agree with myself before that it is nicely forged and is showing nice jigane and chikei. The hamon, I can see where I was thinking a bit of Motoshige or maybe Omiya. It's a good sword though, good pickup. Quote
pepe Posted March 28, 2015 Report Posted March 28, 2015 hello all, my thinking goes also direction, soshu, nambokucho, iwami sadatsuna 1st gen (son from Naotsuna) greetings pepe (werner) Quote
cabowen Posted March 28, 2015 Report Posted March 28, 2015 There is a well regarded line of Kanenobu smiths from the Kaneuji group in Mino in O'an (1368-75) (兼信). I would defer to the NBTHK appraiser who, if the paperwork is to be believed, apparently actually handled the sword... Do you have a kantei-sho or only this handwritten paper? The paper was written by a Japanese- possibly a representative of the NBTHK. Quote
1tallsword Posted March 28, 2015 Author Report Posted March 28, 2015 thank you to all who have tuned in. Darcy, I have had a few of those nights myself very Interesting comments and opinions. Chris, I was not provided with a kantei-sho , only this hand written paper. thank you for shedding a little light on the kanenobu smith line, as well as a possible source for this paper. judging by the date someone wrote in the top right corner its safe to say this was written sometime in or before 1973. cheers Quote
cabowen Posted March 28, 2015 Report Posted March 28, 2015 It says at the bottom: Ueno National Museum/NBTHK so I would tend to think this sword was appraised and this paper written by someone there affiliated with the NBTHK. Quote
1tallsword Posted March 29, 2015 Author Report Posted March 29, 2015 HMMM. very Interesting chris. excuse me for my ignorance and lack of education on this paper. might I ask a couple questions...the paper states Kyushu appraiser association, were they a group that strictly appraised swords or all items? whom were they ? and did they have any ties to the museum? thank you. Quote
cabowen Posted March 29, 2015 Report Posted March 29, 2015 No idea who or what the Kyushu Appraiser Association is, but the bottom says clearly states in Japanese what I mentioned above. There seems to be some connection between the sword, the paperwork, and the NBTHK/Ueno National Museum... Quote
1tallsword Posted March 29, 2015 Author Report Posted March 29, 2015 thank you for your time chris. I will try and do more digging and keep everyone posted on the outcome. cheers Quote
cabowen Posted March 29, 2015 Report Posted March 29, 2015 You are most welcome....Regardless, it appears to be a really nice sword- congrats! Quote
1tallsword Posted March 29, 2015 Author Report Posted March 29, 2015 thank you very much. cheers. Quote
Jean Posted March 29, 2015 Report Posted March 29, 2015 As I said in my previous post, considering the translation of the Japanese paper and its added annotation: - the date mentionned: Kanenobu 1317 is not coherent with him being a student of Kaneuji - it is not Owari (wonder where it comes from?) - Should it be the sue Nambokucho smith mentionned by Chris, he is not a Seki smith but a Naoeshizu one Quote
cabowen Posted March 29, 2015 Report Posted March 29, 2015 The Meikan lists this smith as being a Naoe Shizu smith, from Mino, student of Kaneuji, from O'an (1368-75). This paper was written ostensibly in 1973, 2 years before the Meikan was published. So some other source was used for the info on the paper above. Who knows where it came from...I think the important take away about it is it was attributed to a Naoe Shizu group smith, not Bizen, and Nanbokucho period, by people who had it in hand and who should know something about what they are looking at...I think it's a reasonable start. Quote
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