Michael 101 Posted September 26, 2014 Report Posted September 26, 2014 Thought yesterdays kantei was good fun and thought Id add one of my own. This one is distinctly go stone in profile (thicker in the middle) and in addition to its shakudo and silver inlay has finely carved amida yasuri. Its 7cm high x 6.9cm wide x 0.48cm thick at the centre. Let me know your thoughts or questions Kind regards Michael Quote
Stephen Posted September 26, 2014 Report Posted September 26, 2014 hey I can play this game ,,,,SHOAMI!!!! Quote
Kronos Posted September 26, 2014 Report Posted September 26, 2014 I would say Umetada but it seems to be lacking in quality. Quote
Curran Posted September 26, 2014 Report Posted September 26, 2014 This is much more challenging than the Shoami kantei. The devil is in the detail. I know the answer on this one, but don't think I would have been so sure without reference books and one or two tell tale details. At first glance, I would have gone with another school. Quote
Kronos Posted September 26, 2014 Report Posted September 26, 2014 I should know the answer as I saw an almost identical papered Tsuba a couple of days ago for sale, can't for the life of me remeber which school it was though. Quote
kaigunair Posted September 26, 2014 Report Posted September 26, 2014 I'll call Toda school, but I've only seen iron examples sans the inlay. If solely based on materials and design, sans shape, I'd call umetada. For the record, I'll go with Toda. I hope it didn't paper umetada, as that would be another grab bag attribution IMHO.... Quote
Brian Posted September 26, 2014 Report Posted September 26, 2014 Don't know which school, but think this is a high class and well done tsuba. Brian Quote
kunitaro Posted September 26, 2014 Report Posted September 26, 2014 加賀象嵌 Kaga-zogan by 加賀金工 Kaga-kinko ??? Quote
seattle1 Posted September 26, 2014 Report Posted September 26, 2014 Hello: Well I guess my guess of very late Owari didn't do for the last one, but if the origami said Shoami and nothing more, someone should ask for a refund. As for the current one, all I can say it shows the triumph for workmanship over art, whichever school that fits. Arnold Quote
b.hennick Posted September 26, 2014 Report Posted September 26, 2014 Kaga and Umtada both did this type of inlay. I think Kaga. Quote
Gabriel L Posted September 26, 2014 Report Posted September 26, 2014 I don't know tōsōgu well enough to begin to kantei, but I'm with Brian on the qualitative assessment! Quote
MauroP Posted September 26, 2014 Report Posted September 26, 2014 My guess is Umetada (...or Shoami, of course). Bye, Mauro Quote
Alan Morton Posted September 26, 2014 Report Posted September 26, 2014 gota go with Umetada Alan Quote
Michael 101 Posted September 27, 2014 Author Report Posted September 27, 2014 I can fully understand the various calls, especially so for Umetada. Not an easy one at all, which is the fun of these anyway. Only one person nailed it - Higo Nishigaki more specifically the second master Shigesaku (1639-1717) The very tastefully placed inlaid pattern is called Sayagata, a crest design originally found on silk. This example shows some wear and would most likely have been originally fitted with a shakudo fukurin. The second master also studied under the Goto school and his work is often very refined. Unfortunately my photos do not do it justice as the amida yasuri are very finely carved. The aori gata shape and the matching hitsu ana are more typically Higo in style. I have added a picture of a very similar example complete with its fukurin, published in Ito Mitsuhira's excellent book on Nishigaki Kanshiro works for comparison. Many thanks Michael Quote
Brian Posted September 27, 2014 Report Posted September 27, 2014 Well done Mariusz I wouldn't have gone there, but a great result and a fine tsuba. Thanks for sharing. Brian Quote
Tcat Posted September 27, 2014 Report Posted September 27, 2014 First instinct was higo, but thought umetada was the elephant trap Good game, and very nice tsuba. Quote
Peter Bleed Posted September 27, 2014 Report Posted September 27, 2014 Mike, I couldn't even try this one, but it was great fun and educational at several levels. Thanks. If one of these comes my way, I'll snap it right up. Peter Quote
kaigunair Posted September 29, 2014 Report Posted September 29, 2014 Paper'd or opinion? Either way, a nice example. Quote
kaigunair Posted October 3, 2014 Report Posted October 3, 2014 Hmmmm....kantei 1 by a different member mention both NBTHK and Nthk papers. Kantei #2 .....is this based solely on the book example (which has some different and interesting details compared to the kantei example)? Would be helpful to know if the papering organizations expressed an opinion, as it helps to broaden the knowledge about what they will paper so specifically... Quote
Higo-san Posted October 5, 2014 Report Posted October 5, 2014 Here is just another very similiar example with a completely different attribution: https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/22248/lot/1208/ Quote
Michael 101 Posted October 11, 2014 Author Report Posted October 11, 2014 Thank you for posting the link to a very similar tsuba but this time attributed to Yogoro school, as I note are two other very different tsuba from the same sale. Its very interesting as other Yogoro (Mito) work also points towards a conection with the Goto school (to whom the second Kanshiro studied under) and thank you for posting. To clarify my kantei was based purely on my own studies and discussion with another more experienced higo collector and close reference to Ito Mitsuhira's excellent publications and studies. Attributions change as more information becomes available and I very much respect the focused higo school research carried out by Mitsuhira san in his recent work. This tsuba does not have any papers - I would submit - my only concern would be the return of another rather expensive "Higo" attribution. Kindest regards and thanks Michael Quote
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