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Shout out for any 14 15 16 gen mei

in my Fujishiro index i see one on page 158

Does Shinshinto N2Koza have a mei on the latter one

trying to find which one this is

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you may think its tsugu but its this Tsuna

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祖州住綱広

 

刀

 

鎌倉

 

山村

 

http://hamarepo.com/story.php?story_id=1462

 

http://www.sword-masamune.com/info.html

 

 

Current 24th generation Masamune. I know him well as he was a regular at the NBTHK monthly kantei meeting in Kamakura. I suspect your sword is by his grandfather or great grandfather. He mostly makes knives these days. He was trained by Yasuaki, the last of the Yasukuni smiths.

Stephen Grand Master

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Plenty on your friend and early Tsunahiro, doubt ill find oshigata of this smith. Thank you all...er... Chris for your help. And a Big thanks to GT san for this info

 

It looks like gendaito. Mei is Soshu ju Tsunahiro Saku.

Seems like there are many generations of the "Masamune line" down to the present day. These are probably the family of Yamamura living in Kamakura (Sagami), now Kanagawa ken. It is hard to unravel the generations because the books all mix them up. But here goes....

If this is the right family it will be about like this:

19th generation of Masamune line was 13th gen Yamamura Sosaburo Tsunahiro died Meiji 19 year.

20th gen Masamune line was 14th Gen Yamamura ..(Yoshinosuke?)..Tsunahiro died Taisho 1 year. (NTMK p.581)..(another book calls him 15th gen Yamamura)

21st? Gen Masamune line was 15th? gen Yamamura Fukutaro Tsunahiro died? (another book calls him 16th Gen Yamamura).

22nd? Gen Masamune line was 16th Gen...?...?...?Fukutaro?

23rd? Gen line Masamune was 17th Gen Yamamura Naotsugu Tsunahiro died Showa (after war?)

 

A pretty reliable source gives gendaito smiths...mainly of WWII and after smiths...Uchiyama in "Nihon Gendaito Shoshi" Chap. VII p.3 says:

Murayama Naotsugu Tsunahiro was of the Masamune line which was continued by the Odawara Soshu Yamamura Naotsugu Tsunahiro line. Eldest son Tsunakazu was killed in action (and the line did not continue on ?) I think it says....this would be a good one to ask Morita san as he has this book by Uchiyama.

 

So it looks like yours might be by the last active Murayama Tsunahiro in WWII (is it dated?)...either by the father or if he started swords before he was killed, by the son.....BUT there must be other sons as the family is still going in Kanagawa and now is about 24th gen of Masamune line, so probably 21 or 22 gen Yamamura line... according to on-line search.

 

Sorry it is so mixed up...but I think it is probably Yamamura line and maybe WWII father or son.

The books all seem to be a bit mixed up as to generations etc so I can't say for sure.

Can you post me a few more pics...looks interesting.

Regards,

George.

 

PS. I just looked up a WWII swordsmith book (Dai Nippon Token Shoko Meikan 1942 p. 297) and the only guy in Kanagawa (Soshu) named Tsunahiro making swords is this Yamamura Tsunahiro...so yours must be him if it is WWII period. Whether it is father or son generation I don't know...but this is the family.

Regards,

 

PPS...I just saw Markus Sesko's book on-line and it says the wartime smith was 16th Gen Yamamura Fukutaro Tsunahiro.

Maybe this means that the "killed in action" guy/s was Yamamura Naotsugu Tsunahiro who was eldest son...you better ask Morita.

Regards,

 

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George Trotter

Brian

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I'm still confused by the fact that these smiths seem to have signed:

祖州住綱広

But isn't this Hiro kanji 廣 ?

What am I missing here?

 

Nice sword though, think it's going to be lovely.

 

Brian

Guido Grand Master

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Brian, they indeed signed 相州住綱廣. Besides the first kanji being 相 (そう) instead of 祖 (そ), 広 is the (modern) shorthand for 廣.

Brian

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Thanks Guido,

Confusion stemmed from looking the smiths up in Markus' book, and not being able to match up the kanji. I would assume that we need to use the correct form that was used if we have any hope of matching the smiths up to the reference works out there. :freak:

 

Brian

Stephen Grand Master

Stephen

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quick takes from cell phone, plan out side shoot soon.

not sure whats going on, stains from someone cutting a orange ..ie acid....or part of the blade at angles its not easy to see. no great hada jump out. very tight...may be just the war time polish, all matching numbers on fittings a 0 and 27, large nodules sama, good saurte, lock works , clean saya, carried, as it has hand soil. Photos to come

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