type 3 Gunto & kai-Gunto identification & commentaries

[rancho]

Hi Georges

you confirm what other members told me as you read in the forum!

its appreciate!

finaly i will not make window polish and just looking to sold the sabers!

thank you for helping me!

best regards

Eric P.

[rancho]

finaly i sold my two guntos.....and now i got a Nagamitsu type 3  on hold for next Christmas!

Eric P.

[Bruce Pennington]

Have any pics yet?

[george trotter]

Hi Eric,

That is good news. Nagamitsu is considered a good swordsmith..

It will be a nice Christmas present for you. 

Regards,

[rancho]

hi all

Bruce....sorry i dont have any picture for the moment but i will post some pictures as soon as i get the Gunto....

George nice to see you on my tread after all this time!

thank you for your help and support and yes the Nagamitsu will be a good Christmas present! 

regards

Eric P.

[Julian]

Bienvenure sur le forum Eric 

 

cé le fun de voir quil ya du monde du qc qui sinteresse a sa A++ 

[rancho]

Hello all

After all this years i finaly buy in my opinion a well good made gendaito!

Its the Nagamitsu that i was looking for long time ago... i really love the type 3 gunto and this one is in well good condition!! All is original no part missing almost brand new!

I was supose to buy it for christmas some years ago but sometime things happen in life that can change your plan!

Now im happy to share with you some pictures but i just have a cell phone for the pics

Regards

Eric.

 

 

[Bruce Pennington]

1 hour ago, rancho said:

a well good made gendaito!

Gorgeous, Eric!  Double release buttons, textured saya (is that black?).  You photo of the serial number is a little blurred.  Do I see "(saka) 1361" or "1561"?

[rancho]

Bruce

The saya color is green, 

Yes this is saka stamp and the  number is 1867

 

[Kiipu]

The serial number range for these is as below.  It is unknown if this was only used on Nagamitsu 長光 or for all production from Ōsaka Arsenal.

0 (zero) series: 阪 1867 to 阪 3991.

1st series: 阪 イ313.

 

Three of them can be seen at this link Stamp Survey while 3991 can be found at Nagamitsu Type44 Mounting. New Today ! .

 

I have one Gassan Sakakatsu but the order is reversed, 1 and then 阪.  In addition, it is star stamped unlike the swords above so it could be unrelated.

Star Stamped Sword Gassan Sadakatsu Rikugun Jumei Tosho

Edited October 13, 2021 by Kiipu

[Bruce Pennington]

Here's my chart on Osaka:

 

Updated Chart (for some reason, cannot delete old chart!!!):

Saka

1943, Jun	Sadakatsu (RJT) Star, 1阪	EdHicks NMB, Rinji
1944	Unknown	From Fuller Survey
1944, Mar	Unknown	From Fuller Survey
1944, May	Unknown	From Fuller Survey
1944, Nov	Masaharu	Mecox, NMB
1944, Apr	Masayoshi (RJT)	Cillo, pg 110
1944, Sep	Sadashige, (RJT) Star	Cillo, pg 153
ND	Nagamitsu, イ313 on mune	Ooitame NMB, Rinji
ND	Nagamitsu, 阪1431 mune	Cillo, pg 124
ND	Nagamitsu,  阪1861 mune	Rancho, NMB, RS
ND	Nagamitsu, 2005 on mune	Reeder, NMB
No Date	Nagamitsu, 1阪3490 mune	VajS NMB Rinji
ND	Nagamitsu, 阪3973	IJASWORDS, NMB, Broken heart seppa
ND	Nagamitsu, 阪3991	Mauser99, NMB
No Date	Nagamitsu	Ooitame NMB

 

[Kiipu]

I found another one, serial 695 with no inspection mark.

Help with inherited Sword

 

The picture is out of focus but maybe 阪 2205?

WW2 Japanese Katana Mystery

 

Additional pictures of 阪 3490.

Nagamitsu For Sale

Edited October 14, 2021 by Kiipu

[rancho]

On 10/13/2021 at 1:19 PM, Bruce Pennington said:

Here's my chart on Osaka:

 

Updated Chart (for some reason, cannot delete old chart!!!):

Saka

 

1943, Jun	Sadakatsu (RJT) Star, 1阪	EdHicks NMB, Rinji
1944	Unknown	From Fuller Survey
1944, Mar	Unknown	From Fuller Survey
1944, May	Unknown	From Fuller Survey
1944, Nov	Masaharu	Mecox, NMB
1944, Apr	Masayoshi (RJT)	Cillo, pg 110
1944, Sep	Sadashige, (RJT) Star	Cillo, pg 153
ND	Nagamitsu, イ313 on mune	Ooitame NMB, Rinji
ND	Nagamitsu, 阪1431 mune	Cillo, pg 124
ND	Nagamitsu,  阪1861 mune	Rancho, NMB, RS
ND	Nagamitsu, 2005 on mune	Reeder, NMB
No Date	Nagamitsu, 1阪3490 mune	VajS NMB Rinji
ND	Nagamitsu, 阪3973	IJASWORDS, NMB, Broken heart seppa
ND	Nagamitsu, 阪3991	Mauser99, NMB
No Date	Nagamitsu	Ooitame NMB

 

Woah Bruce big work on that chart!!

Good info collected thru the time!

Thanks for sharing this!!!

I notice a little error in the chart .....

My Nagamitsu type 3 serial number

Is 1867 not 1861 

When i bought the Nagamitsu,i ask the seller if he have some info about the blade....he told me that he bought it a couple years ago from a guy in the USA, and told me a war time storie about a GI's unit that found a lot of around 200 brand new type 3 gunto that have been never delivered to soldier, the GI's split the lot between them and bring them back home, and thats why we can find a lot of Nagamitsu blade in superb condition!!! They never see the battlefield !

Have you ever ear  this storie before?

Regards

Eric

 

[Bruce Pennington]

4 hours ago, rancho said:

Is 1867 not 1861 

Thanks Eric, it's fixed.

 

I have not heard that story, but it wouldn't surprise me a bit.  I'm sure at war's end, there were hundreds of sword shops, antique stores, forges, and arsenal warehouses loaded with gunto in process of distribution.