bobtail44 Posted May 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 Trent, Can you post a picture of the bend? Regards, Hoanh Id love to, but I already packaged the sword back up and taped it in the tube so I can post it tomorrow. The bend starts about 150mm from the end and when the sword is laid flat or on a ruler in goes about 2-3mm approx. You notice it straight away when you draw the sword and look down it. Trent Spencer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtail44 Posted May 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 ALL sellers have some people that are unhappy with a sale or 2. Every one of them bar none.I don't want titles telling people to beware of someone unless he has multiple issues with many people and is confirmed to be a bad dealer. In Eric's case, many people know him, and he is known to be a decent dealer. I have only met him once, briefly. That doesn't mean some haven't, or won't, have issues with him. But we owe these sellers more than a title like you had. Therefore, in the interests of fair play, I will edit the original title to something less offensive, and leave the post up. It is then searchable by people loking for feedback. But a person also needs to go by a few transactions from a few people before they decide. An immediate offer to refund the purchase price is fair in any game. Shipping costs refunds are up to the seller. Seems to me he is even refunding you your original shipping cost, and you only have to pay to get it back. That is fairly standard and fair imho. I will also point out that compared to most auctions, he has pictured just about every part in detail. Anything not pictured, needs to be asked for. Not your fault, but he certainly isn't a scammer either. Brian That is a very fair and honest conclusion thanks Trent Spencer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabowen Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 I know Eric fairly well. One learns with time the extent of a dealer's knowledge and experience as well as their marketing techniques. For example, Eric is often a bit on the optimistic side when it comes to his descriptions. Others tend to downplay their merchandise. For example, Eric often lists showa-to as gendai-to; I don't think this is an intentionally misleading statement, he simply is not always aware of the difference. As I have said before, knowing where a sword comes from is an important part of kantei! Also, Eric is not a native English speaker, he is French. While his English is excellent, the possibility of a language difference exists and can create the potential for misunderstanding. Eric may not be the most knowledgeable dealer but he knows a good sword and how to buy and sell. I have never known him to purposely take advantage of anyone, but he's not going to do anyone's homework for them either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Posted May 23, 2014 Report Share Posted May 23, 2014 I don't think that selling on ebay an item with a misleading description should be considered fair game because the seller is willing to refund the purchase price. The auction page says "no bends", if the bend was as clear as bobtail says it obviously was a problem that should have been clearly described. Online sales are a matter of trust, attempting to pull this kind of tricks isn't exactly trustworthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtail44 Posted May 23, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 23, 2014 I don't think that selling on ebay an item with a misleading description should be considered fair game because the seller is willing to refund the purchase price. The auction page says "no bends", if the bend was as clear as bobtail says it obviously was a problem that should have been clearly described. Online sales are a matter of trust, attempting to pull this kind of tricks isn't exactly trustworthy. He says he sometimes overlooks things. Well it was a pretty specific and detailed description to overlook. It just cost me 101 dollars plus fuel and time to go to the post office to send it back. I don't know what some peoples income is but id have rather spent the 101 dollars on something useful. It wasn't just bends the overall condition as per my photos was rubbish, if it was one thing then fine but it wasn't. If you sum it up he outright lied which cost me 100 dollars. It is very poor behavior and he should have to refund my return shipping as well in this case. I thought he was an established dealer and had good feedback but you live and learn. I hope this thread saves someone else the disappointment and hassle. Trent Spencer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Fox Posted May 23, 2014 Report Share Posted May 23, 2014 I am always mystified how an item such as a Nihonto blade, can attract a sale of thousands in any currency, from photographs and a sellers description! The exception here I would argue, is that the seller will have a reputation beyond any question, it is a matter of personal opinion, whether or not Ebay falls into this category. And yes, there are what are considered good deals on the bay, but who is getting those deals? It is generally those, who have an extensive knowledge on the subject of the sword!. A picture is worth a thousand words, no its not. How many times on this board has a picture been displayed, and viewed by dozens of us, then to have one of the more knowledgeable, point out an important fact that we had not seen. To rely on a fault in the sellers description to invalidate the sale, is a poor safe guard at best. It will invariably cost you time, item return and of course money! A mine field for the newbie, and asking for opinions on this board before bidding, is in no way an additional guarantee, and in most cases that advice is ignored after being given. I have never bought a blade that I have not had in hand, if it were a car I would want a test drive before my hard earned was handed over. Yes my sword numbers are poorer, but my money and stress bank is a lot richer. And of course, my appraisal, has got me items I am delighted with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Lee Posted May 23, 2014 Report Share Posted May 23, 2014 Whatever else may be said about the sale, the only thing I find really disturbing about all this is the vindictive hysterics and foot-stomping temper tantrum going on throughout the thread. The point has been made several times over... and could/should have been made in a much more calm, mature, and informative manner. What exactly are we belaboring at this point and toward what ends? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted May 23, 2014 Report Share Posted May 23, 2014 John, I think maybe the "vindictive hysterics and foot-stomping temper tantrums" are mostly in your head. I think most points were made fairly calmly and reasonably. Perhaps people see what they want to see. All points made. Brian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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