suspicious gunto

[mltokai]

hi everybody ! this is my first post on this site !

 

i want to buy a gunto but i am a bit suspicious about the seller ...

this is on the french site "le bon coin" .

this is his kai gunto , what made me think it's a fake is the tsuba pattern... does personalised one exist ?

 

http://www.leboncoin.fr/collection/6529 ... tm?ca=19_s

 

 

and next , there is this one

http://www.leboncoin.fr/collection/6556 ... tm?ca=19_s

 

there is not that much picture of it but the quality of the sageo made me think it is pretty recent ...

 

can you help me with my dilema ? anyway , sorry if i made some grammar mistake , english is not my native language...

 

 

 

marc lesueur

[Mark]

welcome

 

the NMB rules require you sign a post with your name. You are wise to check, in my opinion there are not WWII or earlier Japanese swords. I am sure others will add their thoughts

[watsonmil]

Dear Sir,

As per forum rules, ... please sign your posts with at least a first name. As far as the swords go, ... I would not pay 3.50 Euro for either let alone 350.00 Euro. I would say both appear to be fakes.

... Ron Watson

[AikiScott1]

Just let the seller know "We can't go on together with suspicious gunto. "

 

-Scott M.

[drdata]

First is definitely fake, second also most likely, but pics are bad.

 

Please see this link at top of page:

 

http://jssus.org/nkp/fake_japanese_swords.html

 

 

The "loud" pattern welded pattern on the first blade is a dead giveaway. True hada/grain is much more subtle.

[Kai-Gunto]

Both are fakes.

[Dr Fox]

Just let the seller know "We can't go on together with suspicious gunto. "

 

-Scott M.

 

Scott, I don't know how long you have waited to use that line, but this was just right.

[Baka Gaijin]

Good morning all,

 

Real Fake.

 

And whilst one might often rush to judgement with the conclusion of Chinese Fake.

 

Take a few moments to check this out:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqU8ThjzIZA

 

Definite NCO pattern production at 1.28 seconds in.

 

Utsushi or Homage?? or something entirely different.......

 

Cheers

[Kai-Gunto]

Is the video from Pakistan or india?

[takakage]

i want to buy a gunto but i am a bit suspicious about the seller ...

this is on the french site "le bon coin" .

this is his kai gunto , what made me think it's a fake is the tsuba pattern... does personalised one exist ?

http://www.leboncoin.fr/collection/6529 ... tm?ca=19_s

and next , there is this one

http://www.leboncoin.fr/collection/6556 ... tm?ca=19_s

 

Marc lesueur

 

Hi,

Beware,

This "pretty nice" seller is well known for sale chinese junk as a really nihonto. You can find him too (and others liers) at Naturabuy and Delcampe .

Don't waste your time and money with such lier.

[Jussi Ekholm]

Chinese fakes would be my call.

 

Malcolm, Universal Swords is an Indian manufacturer that focuses on creating replicas of various military swords around the world. Their replicas are decent but lacking in quality, so they should be easy to spot for a sword collector. They are not trying to fool anyone, but of course someone can sell their swords as a genuine article. Buyer must do his research to avoid buying intended fakes or replicas that are marketed as genuine Japanese swords. I own a replica of French Hussar Sabre by Universal Swords, it's a decent made sword but even though I know almost nothing of French swords of that era, I can tell in couple of seconds it's a replica and not a genuine article.

 

For reference here are 2 Japanese models from Universal swords, http://www.kultofathena.com/product.asp ... unto+Sword , http://www.kultofathena.com/product.asp ... hin+Gunto+ As you can see they generally retail from 150$ to 200$ as brand new from the factory. Not intended as fakes but as replicas for collectors.

 

The Chinese made stuff is usually marketed as genuine Japanese military swords, and they feature the gaudy folded blades. I guess you could call them replicas too but I call them fake. Many sword sellers from China usually use false advertising when selling their products, be it regular Japanese style production swords or these fake Japanese military swords.

 

Marc you did the right thing in asking before buying.

 

Just let the seller know "We can't go on together with suspicious gunto. "

 

-Scott M.

 

This really cracked me up. :D

[Dr Fox]

Thought it quite amusing that they knock out a Gunto in a couple of days. But if you want it sharpened it will add 7-12 on shipping time! Their polisher needs to get a move on!

[AikiScott1]

Thank you for the accolades on my wittiness, but in all seriousness it would probably be a great help to any Gunto collector to just first invest some money in good books, like Jim Dawson's volume. Time spent reading and studying is money in the bank.---Scott M.