Unknown school and artist

[Ford Hallam]

Always happy to share what I have, fellas. No point having a discussion like this and keep everyone in the dark

 

Mariusz, the Sano catalogue is Bushi no Issho, Swordguards with Openwork Design from Kofun to Edo Periods. 1999.

The other catalogue, which also has some relatively uncommon items illustrated was published by the Tosogu Museum in Tokyo in 1994. Tosogu Meihinten Sadly the museum closed dome years ago.

[Marius]

Dear Pete and Ford,

 

Many thanks gentlemen

[Pete Klein]

Yah know, the more I look at Ko Shoami kinko examples the more I think that Elliot's is just that, or at least would paper to it.

[John A Stuart]

So, for sure the design elements are carved from the base plate and not applied to it? Is that the consensus? or cast in form? what has been agreed upon? John

[Pete Klein]

Agreed? John, you're on the wrong board... LOL!

 

I would say they must be onlay work as you have gold, silver, shakudo and copper elements. It would seem to make the most sense to apply them and then color accordingly.

 

PS: I would have no issues whatsoever with having this tsuba in my collection!

[John A Stuart]

What was I thinking, eh? Haa! That was what I had thought, appliqué. Doesn't that leave out of contention the idea it is kagamishi work? bronzecasting? John

[Brian]

Agreed? John, you're on the wrong board... LOL!

Ha! I've been at large gatherings of collectors before. You think in person there is more chance of a consensus?

yeah right..... :D

The only difference is that online things don't get physical and we can censor the language. :lol:

 

Brian

[christianmalterre]

why these "complaints" ...eh?

it was accordingly leveled...plus finally correctly sold i think?(if you do accept these fees(?)/ which me for mine part won´t ben willing to accept in this certain case..)

it´s a correct Tsuba...

not special...

not bad equally...

c´mon folks!

(why(?) such an run on this one????????????)(Definitely!)(?????????????)

 

 

believe me ...there´s much very better ones comming out next time...LOL!

 

Christian

[John A Stuart]

http://www.lempertz-online.de/gldet_gb. ... &martist=0 John

[elliottshogun]

Everyone,

 

Robert and I thank you for your comments and remarks. We have discussed your thoughts, ideas, and concerns and will leave it at this ----- the date is approx. 1500. Being a 'Court Nobility' tsuba, it was produced by a combined effort between a metal caster (unknown who or which group) of which there were many at this time, and an early Goto artist (unknown which one) who were the only ones doing extremely fine carving, and inlaying/onlaying during this time (ca.1500). The 'legend' depicted is in the "Legend in Japanese Art" by Henri Joly about the deer looking for their mates who are among the clover. I have never seen this depiction on any Japanese artwork, but thats just me.

 

If we happen upon any new information in regards to this tsuba, I will certainly post it here. Thank you all very much.

 

Elliott

[cabowen]

And there you have it!

[Pete Klein]

Yup, agreed. Just another Gypsy Mystery!

[Guido]

Now if there's one thing you can be sure of, it's that nothing is more powerful than a Tsuba collector's wishful thinking. Except an Apache helicopter. An Apache helicopter has machine guns AND missiles. It is an unbelievably impressive complement of weaponry, an absolute death machine.

(from the movie "Ted", slightly rephrased)

[Ford Hallam]

If it walks like a duck, if it sounds like a duck and if it looks like a duck then it's definitely a swan.