bigjohnshea Posted February 28, 2014 Report Posted February 28, 2014 Hope you are all well. I have seen some nihonto that have hamon both on the cutting edge and the running all the way down the mune from the kissaki. Is there a specific term for this? Cheers, Quote
b.hennick Posted February 28, 2014 Report Posted February 28, 2014 Or it could just be a long turn back from the boshi...tiger tail for example. Muneyaki are separate spots of hard steel. Quote
bigjohnshea Posted February 28, 2014 Author Report Posted February 28, 2014 Thank you gentlemen. http://www.ricecracker.com/inventory/64 ... _daido.htm Any opinions on this blade? I'm about to complete a trade/purchase for it. I think it's phenomenal. Really love the whole package. Still very new at this though. Quote
cabowen Posted March 1, 2014 Report Posted March 1, 2014 If you like it, that is all that matters! Quote
Jean Posted March 1, 2014 Report Posted March 1, 2014 Quote If you like it, that is all that matters! Quote
bigjohnshea Posted March 1, 2014 Author Report Posted March 1, 2014 Thank you. I'm aways concerned when I buy something like this that I'm paying too much and not getting the right quality. Mike Yamasaka is well known in this business though so I'm not overly concerned about the lack of papers on this sword. I'll submit it to shinsa sometime and see how it turns out. Right now I'm just looking forward to enjoying and learning from this sword. Cheers, Quote
Marius Posted March 1, 2014 Report Posted March 1, 2014 bigjohnshea said: Thank you gentlemen. http://www.ricecracker.com/inventory/64 ... _daido.htm Any opinions on this blade? I'm about to complete a trade/purchase for it. I think it's phenomenal. Really love the whole package. Still very new at this though. John, Why have you opened two nearly identical threads on this? Asking the same question: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=18285 What opinion do you want? Was the smith good? Yes. Is it good that this shinto is suriage? No. Is the sword good value? Depends on many factors, but, as you have already been told, suriage in a shinto will affect the value. As you have stated, you are a "newbie". If that is your first sword, you are ceratinly doing the right thing to purchase something decent. Quote
Uechi Posted March 1, 2014 Report Posted March 1, 2014 Just understand if you are buying because you like it great. If you are buying it with the intention of selling later then suriage or o-suriage Shinto blades don't have much of an upside in resale unless the market changes. Decide why you are buying. Quote
bigjohnshea Posted March 1, 2014 Author Report Posted March 1, 2014 Marius, I originally just wanted to know what the term was for the temper line on the mune of the blade. Then I decided to post a link to the blade just to get an opinion if people thought it was a smart purchase. Then I decided that people might not see the link in this thread because the thread was about terminology, not about the sword itself. So I started a second thread. If the moderators want to delete either of these threads I have no problems with that. That aside, thank you for your advice. This is not my first sword but I do only have five swords of varying quality and style in my collection. I have been collecting for a few years, but I am also a medical student so my time is used primarily in studying medicine. I learn what I can about swords when I have some free time. Uechi, Thank you for your advice as well. I posted a lengthy description of the reason I purchased this blade in the other thread. I'm not planning on selling any of my swords, but someday if I need to or want to I'm sure I would. Apologies to everyone for the confusion. Quote
Marius Posted March 1, 2014 Report Posted March 1, 2014 John, Thanks for the explanation As to your never selling - never say never. As your knowledge grows, so may your desire to sell what you have in order to raise money for something better. That is why the resale value was mentioned here. In any case - congratulations Quote
runagmc Posted March 2, 2014 Report Posted March 2, 2014 It is fairly unique, so that could be a positive for resale. Personally, I kind of like it mainly because mune-yaki like that is not normally seen on a shinogi-zukuri sword, at least in my experience. If it were me, I might try to bargain down the price some ... maybe mention you're a member here... BTW, I wonder how that much mune-yaki would affect functionality... maybe there was a reason (breakage) this much mune-yaki isn't normally seen, unless the sword is moroha-zukuri... Quote
nagamaki - Franco Posted March 2, 2014 Report Posted March 2, 2014 Muneyaki, articles and info in Yamanaka's Newsletters revised as well as in the series "Art and the Sword". Also, I'm almost certain the topic has been previously discussed here on NMB, use search to dig. http://www.nihontomessageboard.com/articles/Collecting.pdf Edit/add; There are two types of muneyaki and it is important to understand what the differences are as this will also lead to an understanding of how to judge quality. As far as turnback is concerned, up to the monouchi it remains turnback, once the turn back extends thru and past the monouchi it then begins to be considered muneyaki. Muneyaki can be continuous in addition to spots. Functionality, refer to references sighted above. Breakage, Quote
runagmc Posted March 3, 2014 Report Posted March 3, 2014 I saw the breakage near the monouchi too (I'm not sure it's complete nioigire), but since it's not on the cutting edge, I would think it's not a big deal, at least not a fatal flaw... Edit to say, After re-reading your post, Franco, I'm not sure if your "Breakage " refered to the breakage of the mune-yaki nioi-guchi around monouchi, or refered to earlier comments about mune-yaki needing to be in spots to be considered MUNE-YAKI... Anyway... :? I agree muneyaki is hardening along mune, regardless of amount- seems simple enough... Quote
nagamaki - Franco Posted March 3, 2014 Report Posted March 3, 2014 Hi Adam, wasn't sure exactly what you were refering to. I have it in the back of my mind that there is another term at some point I came across besides muneyaki that would/may/possibility describe what we're seeing in terms of a tempered mune, but it escapes me at the moment. All part of the enjoyment of unusual nihonto features is research and discovery. Quote
runagmc Posted March 4, 2014 Report Posted March 4, 2014 Hi Franco, Sorry, I obviously misunderstood... As for another term for hardening on the mune, I can't remember one... but it's certainly possible... Quote
cabowen Posted March 4, 2014 Report Posted March 4, 2014 Muneyaki is seen perhaps most often on Sue Koto blades. It is seen from time to time on later blades but many times it is accidental and shows itself in spots here and there, rather than a constant hardening which is clearly purposely done. The clay along the back of the blade is in a location that gets rubbed a bit while the smith heats the blade for yaki-ire and can come off. Usually this spotty muneyaki is seen as a kind of mistake and a bit of a lower level of craftsmanship. Quote
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