Shinano no Kami Nobuyoshi

[Ignis]

Hey,

 

as many people here i'm a new person looking for some information for an item im considering to buy.

 

Having been intrigued by all things long gone by for quite some time now I decided a while back it was the time to start looking for a nice katana with some history.

Now recently ive noticed one for sale wich sort of sparked my interest a bit. According to the seller it is made by Shinano no Kami Nobuyoshi. However in the ad he nowhere mentions papers or anything about the NBTHK. So I'm assuming (havent asked him about it yet) that the sword is not papered what seemed a bit weird to me it being a signed 330year old sword... So i'm wondering if this is common or not?

 

Also here are some pictures about it, the add has very little information about the sword itself more info about the swordsmith (http://nihontoclub.com/smiths/NOB592).

 

Any help and advice will be very well appreciated,

Kenneth B.

[cabowen]

Not all swords have been submitted to a shinsa. It is not uncommon to find swords in the US and other Western countries that have not been submitted. Swords in Japan are another story. It is far less common to find (good) swords that have not been submitted in Japan.

 

If the sword is in the US and has never been submitted, it is not a red flag.

 

You might do well to compare the signature to valid example which you can find by googling the maker's name. If you need further help, post your results and questions here.

 

Usually it is best to try and educate yourself to a certain point before spending money blindly, or nearly so. Your education will be an expensive one if you don't take the time upfront to look before you leap.

[Ignis]

Hey,

done some googling and i came across this:

http://www.sanmei.com/contents/en-us/p1403.html

 

The sword is signed "Shinano-no-kami Fujiwara NOBUYOSHI"

 

Looking at the 2nd character (Kanji?) it appears to show quite some differences, also according to the nihontoclub.com link they only have 3 signatures of the smith and the one in the first pictures isnt in there (it is with the Fujiwara like in the link on sanmei).

 

I probably wont be acting on the add for now altho id still be happy to hear any other opinions (as to see if im going the right way with my thoughts or not

[SwordGuyJoe]

Before calling this gimei, do some research on the all three generations. It may not be the same smith as the linked Sanmei sword.

[Ignis]

  SwordGuyJoe said:

Before calling this gimei, do some research on the all three generations. It may not be the same smith as the linked Sanmei sword.

 

I have had a quick look at both his brother and his father (his brother seeming to be a better smith and resulting in a lot more hits when googling) but I came to the conclusion to it being the same smith because of the information given by the sellers of both swords who both refer to http://nihontoclub.com/smiths/NOB592 especially the personal name Takai Kinsaburō returns in both places.

 

However given your advice i will try and look up some pictures of swords done by the father and see if perhaps the information about the smith in the original posting is wrong.

 

Thanks,

Kenneth B.