Teimei Posted January 27, 2014 Report Posted January 27, 2014 The newest part of my small collection. A Yoroi-doshi(-esque) Tanto from the shinshinto period. Yoroi-doshi means armor piercer like a Misericordia in europe. In the shinshinto period, these kind of Tanto didn´t served a real purpose since nobody was wearing armor any longer, it was just kind of en vogue. It´s stored in an old shirasaya with a silver habaki, the mekugi is of poor quality. signed: Masakage (i think? ) saku dated: 1866 nagasa: 26,9 cm moto-haba: 2,5 cm moto-kasane: 0,81 cm hamon: suguha hada: a mix of masame and itame Any comments are welcome! (don´t be too harsh ) Quote
Teimei Posted January 27, 2014 Author Report Posted January 27, 2014 The evaluation paper is from Juho Token Kenkyu-kai, a polisher/dealer in Osaka. Quote
Markus Posted January 27, 2014 Report Posted January 27, 2014 Nice! There is nothing more elegant than a well-proportioned tanto in suguha. Quote
Brian Posted January 27, 2014 Report Posted January 27, 2014 Beautiful. Especially the amount of nie sprayed almost like from a toothbrush. And lively hada, whereas so many from that period are almost muji. Lovely condition too. Brian Quote
Curran Posted January 27, 2014 Report Posted January 27, 2014 Markus said: Nice! There is nothing more elegant than a well-proportioned tanto in suguha. Agree. Nice example with date. What is the thickness at the mune? I have a similar Shimosaka one that came original to a koshirae I bought. Probably c. 1865. The tanto was nice enough that I had a shirasaya made for it and a tsunagi for the koshirae. Surprisingly nicer blade than I expected when I purchased the koshirae. Quote
Teimei Posted January 27, 2014 Author Report Posted January 27, 2014 @ Markus, Brian and Stephen: Thank you for your kind words! Sometimes a nice blade is hidden inside a shabby ol´ shirasaya :lol: Quote
Teimei Posted January 27, 2014 Author Report Posted January 27, 2014 Curran said: Markus said: Nice! There is nothing more elegant than a well-proportioned tanto in suguha. Agree. Nice example with date. What is the thickness at the mune? I have a similar Shimosaka one that came original to a koshirae I bought. Probably c. 1865. The tanto was nice enough that I had a shirasaya made for it and a tsunagi for the koshirae. Surprisingly nicer blade than I expected when I purchased the koshirae. The thickness at the mune is right about 8,1mm near the habaki and tapers to 4,2mm towards the tip. Quote
Dr Fox Posted January 27, 2014 Report Posted January 27, 2014 Florian I don't know much, but I know what I like, and that hits the spot, thanks for posting Quote
raven2 Posted January 27, 2014 Report Posted January 27, 2014 Very nice blade! Excellent condition. I just think suguha is very elegant and this is very well done. Nice find. Quote
estcrh Posted January 27, 2014 Report Posted January 27, 2014 Teimei said: In the shinshinto period, these kind of Tanto didn´t served a real purpose since nobody was wearing armor any longer, it was just kind of en vogue.Nice looking blade, Shinshinto (new new swords 1781–1876), actually many types of armor were worn and used for the entire Edo period, these types of thick tanto would have been quite useful in the right situation. Quote
Teimei Posted January 27, 2014 Author Report Posted January 27, 2014 estcrh said: Teimei said: In the shinshinto period, these kind of Tanto didn´t served a real purpose since nobody was wearing armor any longer, it was just kind of en vogue.Nice looking blade, Shinshinto (new new swords 1781–1876), actually many types of armor were worn and used for the entire Edo period, these types of thick tanto would have been quite useful in the right situation. Yes, you´re right they were wearing all kind of armor, you can hide quite an amount of chainmail under a kimono. I think even today this tanto could be useful! Depends on the situation right? Quote
uwe Posted January 27, 2014 Report Posted January 27, 2014 Very nice piece Florian Unfortunately, I can't come to our next meeting. I'm sure, you will show around this beauty there Quote
Teimei Posted January 28, 2014 Author Report Posted January 28, 2014 uwe said: Very nice piece Florian Unfortunately, I can't come to our next meeting. I'm sure, you will show around this beauty there Did i missed something here? I´m sorry but i don´t know anything about a meeting, i think you mistook me for someone else. But thanks anyway! :lol: Quote
Stefan Posted January 28, 2014 Report Posted January 28, 2014 Very nice blade. Juged by jihada, I would say Masahide Group. This Kind of O-Hada at the hamachi is often seen in tanto. The lively hada with ist flowing elements support this. Tetsu seems to be full of colour, another suishinshi trademark. Hamon ? I can´t see enough, but the ( ko ) nie seems to be good. Signature : Masakage is correct. Indeed there was a Smith in the mon of Mashide with this name. However, a beautyful blade. Congratuliations. Greetings from Berlin Stefan Quote
estcrh Posted January 28, 2014 Report Posted January 28, 2014 Teimei said: Yes, you´re right they were wearing all kind of armor, you can hide quite an amount of chainmail under a kimono. Florian your right, I posted a couple of examples here. viewtopic.php?f=66&t=17658 Quote
Teimei Posted January 28, 2014 Author Report Posted January 28, 2014 Stefan said: Very nice blade. Juged by jihada, I would say Masahide Group. This Kind of O-Hada at the hamachi is often seen in tanto. The lively hada with ist flowing elements support this.Tetsu seems to be full of colour, another suishinshi trademark. Hamon ? I can´t see enough, but the ( ko ) nie seems to be good. Signature : Masakage is correct. Indeed there was a Smith in the mon of Mashide with this name. However, a beautyful blade. Congratuliations. Greetings from Berlin Stefan Hi Stefan, thanks for your comment! There is quite an amount of (ko) nie visible, but the pictures are not that good, i must admit. Mit freundlichem Gruß Quote
Teimei Posted January 28, 2014 Author Report Posted January 28, 2014 estcrh said: Teimei said: Yes, you´re right they were wearing all kind of armor, you can hide quite an amount of chainmail under a kimono. Florian your right, I posted a couple of examples here. viewtopic.php?f=66&t=17658 That is exactly what i was referring to. A medieval kevlar vest. Quote
Eric H Posted January 28, 2014 Report Posted January 28, 2014 Stefan said: Signature : Masakage is correct. Indeed there was a Smith in the mon of Mashide with this name. Masakage on the JTK origami is written correct for itself. The kanji kage is seldom seen written this way. For further information on Masakage - Suzuki Masao - Suishinshi Masatsugu - look at Sesko Lexikon p.313. Eric Quote
Eric H Posted January 30, 2014 Report Posted January 30, 2014 Florian, How reliable is this JTK paper and worth in your opinion? Eric Quote
Teimei Posted January 30, 2014 Author Report Posted January 30, 2014 Eric H said: Florian,How reliable is this JTK paper and worth in your opinion? Eric Eric, i don´t know how reliable they are in general, because i never dealt with them before. However, it is a paper issued by a shop and the goal of a shop is to sell things, you know what i mean? The paper was just a nice extra. Long story short, i bought the Tanto because i liked the sugata and not for the paper that came with it. Quote
Eric H Posted January 30, 2014 Report Posted January 30, 2014 Teimei said: However, it is a paper issued by a shop and the goal of a shop is to sell things, you know what i mean? Florian, I‘m amused. A sword-shop deals with swords, which in most cases are accompanied with an origami. The goal of an origami or paper is to certify a mei, thus confirming the opinion of the issuer. JTK (Juho Token Kenkyukai) its leader is Kobayashi Yukinobu. In his opinion the mei on your Tanto belongs to the Masakage with the unusual kanji kage, hence this Masakage is easily to identify...the mei I'm posting is different to yours Tanto mei. My comment is not intended to criticize the quality ot the Tanto. Eric Quote
Teimei Posted January 30, 2014 Author Report Posted January 30, 2014 Eric H said: Teimei said: However, it is a paper issued by a shop and the goal of a shop is to sell things, you know what i mean? Florian, I‘m amused. A sword-shop deals with swords, which in most cases are accompanied with an origami. The goal of an origami or paper is to certify a mei, thus confirming the opinion of the issuer. JTK (Juho Token Kenkyukai) its leader is Kobayashi Yukinobu. In his opinion the mei on your Tanto belongs to the Masakage with the unusual kanji kage, hence this Masakage is easily to identify...the mei I'm posting is different to yours Tanto mei. My comment is not intended to criticize the quality ot the Tanto. Eric Eric, like you said, an origami is a confirmation of the "opinion" of the issuer. He could be right or not. Could be the first smith he found that "fit in the picture". I´m only a beginner, so i can´t even read the origami, thats why i am very thankful for your comments! You´re right your example is different to the mei on mine. Maybe a different smith, or he had a bad hair day while signing it? :lol: Quote
Teimei Posted January 30, 2014 Author Report Posted January 30, 2014 Ronin Akuma said: Beautiful tanto! Quote
Eric H Posted January 31, 2014 Report Posted January 31, 2014 Florian, Am I right to think that you have written the following „Ueberlegungen zum ästhetischen Verständnis des Japanischen Kunstschwertes“...or no? Well...a very interesting read. Eric Quote
Teimei Posted January 31, 2014 Author Report Posted January 31, 2014 Eric H said: Florian,Am I right to think that you have written the following „Ueberlegungen zum ästhetischen Verständnis des Japanischen Kunstschwertes“...or no? Well...a very interesting read. Eric Eric, you are not the first one who thinks that i am Mr. Brands. I am not Mr. Brands or related to him in any kind. Sorry, but i´m just a nobody. But i agree with you that this article is very interesting. Quote
Eric H Posted January 31, 2014 Report Posted January 31, 2014 Florian, You are a collector like me, perhaps in the starting phase. From my own experience you live and learn. Keep your Tanto in high esteem. Eric Quote
Teimei Posted January 31, 2014 Author Report Posted January 31, 2014 Eric H said: Florian,You are a collector like me, perhaps in the starting phase. From my own experience you live and learn. Keep your Tanto in high esteem. Eric Eric, a very precise description, i couldn´t do it better. Beste Grüße Quote
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