type 19 kyu gunto dress swords, i love them.

[lonely panet]

Good morning all,

 

I know most collectors don't really like the dress sword/parade saber, and if you asked me 1 year ago I would have been in the same boat. But I picked up 1 or 2 to complete a collecting gap and I was hooked, I found that there can be some interesting variations between them.

 

Im posting some quick pics to show the difference in size, shape, length and quality. they are 2 company grade and 2 field grade Kyu gunto.

 

please post pics of any other your dress swords if they are interesting versions please.

 

regards Hamish

[lonely panet]

pt 2

[drbvac]

What percentage of these would be acid etched stainless steel blades vs re-mounted or made at the time traditional nihonto ?

[Kai-Gunto]

They also appear with fuchi and seppas.

[reeder]

I like the big beefy blade you have there. I should be getting another with the fancy handle, no mon, soon. My buddy forgot to bring it last time I saw him. I usually give all the dress swords I pick up to my little sister for some good Karma and to try and get her and her guy friends into collecting blades.

 

-Brandon

[mdiddy]

Hamish,

 

Nice examples. Is the large beefy blade a mounted nihonto?

 

Below are pictures of a generals parade saber that I once had.

 

Matt

[lonely panet]

Hi Matt,

That's a fantastic Generals dress sword, a pitty that you had to part with it but we cant keep everything.

 

The beefy blade is infact a just a very large Nichol plated blade, but its very broad compared to a type 19 cavalary sword considering the blade construction is basically the same. the logo shown from the sword is unknown to me and not recorded in any books I have so im assuming it could be a early model.

 

just out of interest whats the going rate for a generals grade dress sword? im in the market for one and a price range would give me something to save for.

 

regrads Hamish

[reeder]

Nice General Grade sword, Matt. I'm still kicking myself for not buying the last one I saw because I was trying to please my wife and not go over board.

 

-Brandon

[lonely panet]

Hi Matt, and every one else,

 

iv finally got around to taking some photos of the beefy sword some people have asked for , the blade was a bit tricky to photograph but I hope look good.

 

regards Hamish

[lonely panet]

pt2

[lonely panet]

pt3

[Brian]

Thanks for sharing Hamish.

It's posts like this that will form the basis for a reference thread for anyone searching for info on these in the future.

 

Brian

[lonely panet]

Hi guys, Here's another odd example for the peoples.

 

This one is much smaller, lighter and shorter. also the blade is dead straight, considering the early Japanese army was based some what on the victorious German army who had straight bladed dress swords it could be plausible that it might be inspired or influenced by Das Germans.

 

regards Hamish

[lonely panet]

more

[lonely panet]

Hi guys,

its been a while

 

but I have picked up dress sword with a aluminium gripe instead of the normal buffalo, same or Bakelite.

the sword itself is longer then normal, but the overall quality is low so I assume it was made toward the end of 20s or early 30s.

 

have a look

 

regards Hamish

[Jon MB]

Hamish, I dig this (oldish) thread..Anything more recent acquisitions to add?

[lonely panet]

I'm a loner in this area I think. but found a few more pics of a group I was comparing for overall differences.

 

missing is a very large dress sword with a blade of approx. 32 or 33 inches

[lonely panet]

found a few more odd balls.

 

a very long one, one in what appears to be its original bag and an type 19 Kyu gunto flag sword.

 

sadly most got sold off to fund my next investment, "KIDS" and its only getting worse. 2nd one on its way too   no swords ever now

[Jon MB]

Cool, many thanks

 

Having kids is great, but expensive...

 

Regarding these sabres, I think interest will grow over time, as they become relatively more scarce. We shall see..

[vajo]

Hamfish don't worry. Kids are a very good investment. The best you can do. And you will see after some time your swords will come back to you.

[PNSSHOGUN]

I'm sure if you sell some to other collectors here we would get them back to you at reasonable prices!

 

I'm still interested to see if anyone has found a Generals Grade Type 19 yet?

[Jon MB]

Interesting link on Kyu-Gunto below:

 

https://imgur.com/gallery/lUKqe

[lonely panet]

hope that guys got a grand daughter, coz I'm gona marry her just to inherit the collection

[Ontario_Archaeology]

In the Imgur post it says he might be selling his collection when he is done. Does anyone know where?

 

Matt

[Jason b]

I have found one with “YN” inside a diamond on the hilt. Wondering if it’s a repo. Although it seems of correct age. Any ideas or thoughts would be helpful. 

[Bruce Pennington]

Thanks for the stamp @Jason b, that's a new unknown shop logo.  @lonely panet will be your best source as to authenticity.

[Jason b]

Ok. Thanks Bruce!

[Kiipu]

On 1/6/2014 at 3:46 AM, lonely panet said:

pt 2

 

The same logo you depict above can also be seen on a sword that was auctioned recently down in Australia.

Lot: 729

[CJ_Tech]

My Grandfather gave me this when I was a child, is this a Japanese WWII army officer Type 19 Kyu-Gunto?

[Bruce Pennington]

Hi CJ!  Yes, it's a Type 19, dress sword.  I think most reserve the "kyu gunto" term for fighting blades, whereas this one is a dress or parade blade, most likely (might want to show a photo of the blade to confirm).

 

There was a great deal of variation in these.  But I have seen the "N" in diamond stamp before, but we don't know what shop that was.