Tourist tsuba

[kissakai]

Hi again

Some more info required for these museum tsuba

Rightly or wrongly this is what I have found out

 

No 1: Tourist Hamamonto - LH Nagatsune 長常- RH Hisa 久 Myō 明 Uji 氏 [*] Haru 春

 

 

 

No 2: Tourist Hamamonto - Isshiken Okinari 興成 [*] (Hōriye) 放

 

 

 

 

Thanks

Grev UK

[k morita]

Some more info required for these museum tsuba

Rightly or wrongly this is what I have found out

 

No 1: Tourist Hamamonto - LH Nagatsune 長常- RH Hisa 久 Myō 明 Uji 氏 [*] Haru 春

天明八戊申春 , Spring　of the 8th year of Tenmei (1788).

 

No 2: Tourist Hamamonto - Isshiken Okinari 興成 [*] (Hōriye) 放 Kao

 

 

Hi,

It's correctioned.

[docliss]

Both are poor copies of the work of highly rated artists. The first, Nagatsune (H 06539.0), is rated as Meiko by Kinkō Meikan on pp.319a-d to 322a-d, and the second, Okinari (H 07490.0), as Joko on pp.58a-d. Both of these artists are frequently forged.

 

John L.

[kissakai]

Thanks Morita and John

You can see these are poorly made tsuba

I had put them as Hanamoto but these now are clearly fakes

 

 

Grev

[Brian]

Not fakes...just gimei.

The work doesn't even closely match the work of the originals, but in my opinion still surpasses a lot of the average tsuba we find.

I would call them later gimei works.

 

Brian

[docliss]

As an aside, are not these two gimei tsuba probably by the same artist?

 

John L.

[kissakai]

Hi

So it is not hamamonto?

I thought this was made to deceive although not very well

These were donated in 1919 so possibly collected around 1900 by the same collector

I would have thought it was made in the very late 1800's

Now to really show my ignorance with possibly the most used word on the NMB, gimei, in this sense what does this actually mean?

As far as I know it is a fake mei to deceive

 

I would think the tsuba can roughly be classed as follows:

Original where the mei is correct for the maker

A piece clearly made as a tribute to another tsuba maker. Usually with both names are on the tsuba

A tsuba with a false mei that is made to deceive

A tourist piece

I do not know were gimei comes within these types

 

 

Grev UK

[Brian]

Gimei (very loosely) is anything where the signature and the maker aren't the same. Usually made to deceive. But sometimes as a homage.

However I wouldn't call these fakes per se. Fake would be something that isn't Japanese-made. A Chinese product resembling a tsuba made to con someone. In these gimei cases, the items are genuine tsuba..with age to them. It is just the signature that isn't correct. Symantecs, I know...but you get used to it.

Gimei = false signature. Not false item.

 

Brian