cisco-san Posted October 9, 2013 Report Posted October 9, 2013 Hello, does anybody know if there exists a list (in English ) with all Fujishiro saijo rated smith? As I can remember there are approx. 200 Koto smith, 16? Shinto smith and as I know just 4 Shinshinto smith which are Saijo rated. Your comments are highly appreciated. Many thanks in advance Klaus edit: typo Quote
Jacques Posted October 9, 2013 Report Posted October 9, 2013 Hi, I don't know if it exists a list of Saijosaku swordsmith, but Fujishiro ranked at this level 55 Koto, 9 Shinto and 3 Shinshinto. Quote
Gabriel L Posted October 9, 2013 Report Posted October 9, 2013 Wim V. made an index of the Koto Hen. Here are all the Koto saijosaku smiths: Aoe Moritsugu 青江守次 (Ninpei 1151–1154 in Bitchu province) Aoe Tsunetsugu 青江恒次 (Jogen 1207–1211 in Bitchu province) Awataguchi Hisakuni 粟田口久國 (Kenkyu 1190–1199 in Yamashiro province) Awataguchi Kunitomo 粟田口國友 (Jogen 1207–1211 in Yamashiro province) Awataguchi Kunitsuna 粟田口國綱 (Kennin 1201–1204 in Yamashiro province) Awataguchi Kuniyasu 粟田口國安 (Shoji 1199–1201 in Yamashiro province) Awataguchi Kuniyoshi 粟田口國吉 (Koan 1278–1288 in Yamashiro province) Aya (no) Koji Sadatoshi 綾小路定利 (Bun’ei 1264–1275 in Yamashiro province) Bizen Saburo Kunimune 備前三郎國宗 (Koan 1278–1288 in Bizen province) Bungo Yukihira 豊後行平 (Genkyu 1204–1206 in Bungo province) Chikushu Sa 筑州左 (Shohei 1346–1370 in Chikuzen province) Etchu Norishige 越中則重 (Genkyo 1321–1324 in Etchu province) Gojo Kanenaga 五条兼永 (Chogen 1028–1037 in Yamashiro province) Goro Nyudo Masamune 五郎入道正宗 (Karyaku 1326–1329 in Sagami province) Hatakeda Moriie 畠田守家 (Shogen 1259–1260 in Bizen province) Hikobei (no) Jo Sukesada 彦兵衛尉祐定 (Entoku 1489–1492 in Bizen province) Ichimonji Muneyoshi 一文字宗吉 (Jogen 1207–1211 in Bizen province) Ichimonji Norimune 一文字則宗 (Jogen 1207–1211 in Bizen province) Ichimonji Sukefusa 一文字助房 (Genryaku 1184–1185 in Bizen province) Ichimonji Sukemune 一文字助宗 (Jogen 1207–1211 in Bizen province) Ichimonji Suketsuna 一文字助綱 (Koan 1278–1288 in Sagami province) Izumi (no) Kami Kanesada 和泉守兼定 (Eisho 1504–1521 in Mino province) Jiro Kunihiro 次郎國廣 (Gentoku 1329–1331 in Sagami province) Jiro Saemon (no) Jo Katsumitsu 次郎左衛門尉勝光 (Eisho 1504–1521 in Bizen province) Ko Aoe Sadatsugu 古青江貞次 (Jogen 1207–1211 in Bitchu province) Ko Bizen Kanehira 古備前包平 (Eien 987–989 in Bizen province) Ko Bizen Masatsune 古備前正恒 (Eien 987–989 in Bizen province) Ko Bizen Nobufusa 古備前信房 (Eien 987–989 in Bizen province) Ko Bizen Sukehira 古備前助平 (Kanko 1004–1012 in Bizen province) Ko Bizen Tomonari 古備前友成 (Eien / Katei 987 (1235)–989 (1238) in Bizen province) Magoroku Shodai Kanemoto 孫六初代兼元 (Kyoroku 1528–1532 in Mino province) Miike Motozane 三池元真 (Joho 1074–1077 in Chikugo province) Ohara Sanemori 大原真守 (Eien 987–989 in Hoki province) Ohara Yasutsuna 大原安綱 (ca. Eien 987–989 in Hoki province) Osafune Kanemitsu 長船兼光 (Kenmu 1334–1336 in Bizen province) Osafune Mitsutada 長船光忠 (Ryakunin 1238–1239 in Bizen province) Osafune Nagamitsu 長船長光 (Koan 1278–1288 in Bizen province) Osafune Nagayoshi (Chogi) 長船長義 (Joji 1362–1368 in Bizen province) Rai Kunimitsu 来國光 (Genko 1331–1334 in Yamashiro province) Rai Kunitsugu 来國次 (Genko 1331–1334 in Yamashiro province) Rai Kuniyuki 来國行 (Shogen 1259–1260 in Yamashiro province) Rai Magotaro Kunitoshi 来孫太郎國俊 (Shoan 1299–1302 in Yamashiro province) Sabei (no) Jo Kagemitsu 左兵衛尉景光 (Gen’o 1319–1321 in Bizen province) Sanjo Munechika 三条宗近 (Eien 987–989 in Yamashiro province) Sanjo Yoshiie 三条吉家 (Kanko 1004–1012 in Yamashiro province) Sengo Muramasa 千子村正 (Taiei 1521–1528 in Ise province) Shintogo Kunimitsu 新藤五國光 (Showa 1312–1317 in Sagami province) Shizu Saburo Kaneuji 志津三郎兼氏 (Koei 1342–1345 in Mino province) Soshu Akihiro 相州秋廣 (Joji 1362–1368 in Sagami province) Soshu Hiromitsu 相州廣光 (Enbun 1356–1361 in Sagami province) Soshu Yukimitsu 相州行光 (Kagen 1303–1306 in Sagami province) Taima Kuniyuki 当麻國行 (Shoo 1288–1293 in Yamato province) Togenji Sukezane 藤源次助真 (Bun’ei 1264–1275 in Sagami province) Toshiro Yoshimitsu 藤四郎吉光 (Kagen 1303–1306 in Yamashiro province) Ukyo (no) Suke Katsumitsu 右京亮勝光 (Bunmei 1469–1487 in Bizen province) Yoso Saemon (no) Jo Sukesada 与三左衛門尉祐定 (Taiei 1521–1528 in Bizen province) Quote
cisco-san Posted October 9, 2013 Author Report Posted October 9, 2013 Great information. Sorry many mistakes from my side - I thought Sa Yukihide is also rated as saijosaku smith, but he is "just" rated as jo-josaku smith. So maybe anybody knows the 9 Shinto smith :-) and my list would be perfect!! Of course I will also look for these few smith. Quote
Jacques Posted October 9, 2013 Report Posted October 9, 2013 shinto saijosaku are Umetada Myoju Hizen Tadayoshi (shodai) Horikawa Kunihiro Sendai Kunikane (shodai) Inoue Shinkai Hankei Nagasone Kotetsu Echizen Sukehiro (nidai) Nanki Sigekuni Quote
cisco-san Posted October 9, 2013 Author Report Posted October 9, 2013 Jacques, many thanks (in the mean time I found these four: Hizen Tadayoshi, Inoue Shinkai, Hankei and Nagasone Kotetsu) I will made such list with all information I know and will of course provide it here on the great board!!! Again many thanks ! Klaus Quote
Gabriel L Posted October 9, 2013 Report Posted October 9, 2013 I'm surprised he didn't rate Kiyomaro as saijo saku, Jacques. Quote
Robert Mormile Posted October 9, 2013 Report Posted October 9, 2013 Gabriel: Kiyomaro is shinshinto and the above two list are koto and shinto. I am sure that Kiyomaro is one of the three shinshinto saijo rated smiths. My guess on the other two would be Taikei Naotane and Suishinshi Masahide but I am not a shinshinto guy... Robert Quote
Gabriel L Posted October 9, 2013 Report Posted October 9, 2013 Momi said: Gabriel: Kiyomaro is shinshinto and the above two list are koto and shinto. I am sure that Kiyomaro is one of the three shinshinto saijo rated smiths. My guess on the other two would be Taikei Naotane and Suishinshi Masahide but I am not a shinshinto guy... Robert Oh duh, I was thinking in terms of Fujishiro's two volumes which are Koto + "Shinto" (& Shinshinto). I missed the fact that Jacques had already mentioned "9 shinto and 3 shinshinto" explicitly, so there are 12 total saijosaku smiths in the "Shinto" volume. Quote
Jean Posted October 9, 2013 Report Posted October 9, 2013 Just a typo in Jacques'post: Nanki SHigekuni Quote
cisco-san Posted October 10, 2013 Author Report Posted October 10, 2013 Momi said: Gabriel: Kiyomaro is shinshinto and the above two list are koto and shinto. I am sure that Kiyomaro is one of the three shinshinto saijo rated smiths. My guess on the other two would be Taikei Naotane and Suishinshi Masahide but I am not a shinshinto guy... Robert You are right, these are the three saijosaku rated Shinshinto smith: Minamoto Kiyomaro Suishinshi Masahide Taikei Naotane Quote
Eric H Posted October 12, 2013 Report Posted October 12, 2013 Magoroku Shodai Kanemoto 孫六初代兼元 (Kyoroku 1528–1532 in Mino province) The name „Magoroku“ is only used for the 2nd generation -nidai- Kanemoto, Seki no Magoroku. Eric Quote
Jacques Posted October 12, 2013 Report Posted October 12, 2013 Hi, Quote The name „Magoroku“ is only used for the 2nd generation -nidai- Kanemoto, Seki no Magoroku. Kanemoto nidai is Magoroku shodai. Quote
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