christianmalterre Posted September 30, 2013 Report Posted September 30, 2013 i wonder if somebody reading this may have me some fruiting information? actually am doing research into the Akao group of Tsubashi. Attached is an picture taken from Tsuba Taikan depicting an work attributed to and signed Shinsuke Akao. This guy shall ben the Shodai if datas provided are (still) correct?(old literature) Question now-whom of you may have possibility to provide me with further info on this guy? Despite the info already given by Torigoye(Haynes) and Kremers i could not find any further info on his career yet.... I would ben happy in getting info about this Tsubashi,his school and most important here, the backround this guy sorts out from... Maybe somebody can help me here? Is there info available? (I do not want to discuss this very Tsuba here about correctness or/and authenticity ect.-i do want to get further info on this school if anyhow available) in advance.... Christian Quote
docliss Posted September 30, 2013 Report Posted September 30, 2013 Christian, Haynes lists Akao JINSUKE (H 02055.0) as working in the province of Echizen ca 1650, and notes: listed in Sōken Kisho, 1781, vol.4, p.34 Furukawa catalogue pl.20, #111 SCE. W-335-U-3, Kp.-163. He is also listed on p.114 of Markus Sesko’s Genealogies of Janese tsuba and tōsō-kinkō Artists. According to this author he was not a master of the school, but was descended from/a student of the first master, A. Yoshitsugu (H 12225.0). Nihon To Koza, p.150 calls him ZENSUKE, and the younger brother of the sandai. Does that help as a start? John L. Quote
christianmalterre Posted September 30, 2013 Author Report Posted September 30, 2013 Dear John of course this does help me!-Thank you! Do you or somebody else could provide me with an picture(if it does exist?) of the Furukawa Catalogue example pl.20, #111 ? It´s somehow strange to me Haynes lists him Echizen province habitant/situated in around 1650..contradicting to Robinson B.W. in the Baur collection... Robinson wrote that this school was founded by Yoshitsugu in around 1700.Samurai in/of Matsudaira family. Further it´s noted that Yoshitsugu´s Son/heir the Yoshitsugu Nidai moved latter to Edo.(continuing his branch into Fukui hemisphere(and certainly taste of Awa Shoami workmanship)... (this sounds probably correct as here again this confirms that latter Generation uniquely worked "on custom" for the Tokugawa bureaucrats/aristocratics....(Torigoye/Haynes´s statement in their´s writings again).... That´s somehow strange to me! There´s an timesheet difference of more than/at least near to estimated 30 Years here....? What did happen? Also-are Yoshitsugu I. and Jinsuke one and the same artist? -(following would equally count for Yoshitsugu Nidai and an other Nidai named "Jinbei" in Tsuba Taikan-working close to the Echizen(maybe)rather Awa Shoami tradition(mine interpretation)... There must be an error here-somewhere....? The Nidai whoever may be correct-his style is close to taste of Edo Tokugawa(with Awa and Echizen) This but-at least i can not see with the Shodai... may him ben called either Yoshitsugu or Jinsuke .... i would like to see that Furukawa example if possible please... Christian Quote
docliss Posted September 30, 2013 Report Posted September 30, 2013 Christian, I agree that there is some confusion over the dates of A. Yoshitsugu I. Robinson gives the date of his birth as being ‘about 1700’, while Haynes gives his dates as ‘ca. 1650-75’. To add to the confusion, Hara gives his date of birth as 'mitte des 18 jahrhunderts'! But surely A. Yoshitsugu I and A. Jinsuke are NOT the same artist; as I have already pointed out, Nihon Tō Kōza believes the latter to be the younger brother of the sandai. And Jinbei was, surely, the father of Yoshitsugu I? I regret that I do not have a copy of the Furakawa catalogue – sorry. John L. Quote
christianmalterre Posted September 30, 2013 Author Report Posted September 30, 2013 Hmmmh John (you are of big help!-Thank you very much! -i would agree here that Yoshisuke I and Jinsuke are NOT the same person) (which-jbw seemingly one of both schools ;either an Torigoye/Haynes or an Robinson/Joly are wrong!) speaking about the mentioned Jinbei now.... He got equally listed in the Taikan....see attached picture.... IF Jinbei was then father/teacher of Yoshisuke I-(which i hard doupt) why does show the Taikan titulated Yoshisuke an kind of Kawa-gane structure(first picture) and the Jinbei an Echizen or even more Awa stylism....(second picture)....? In fact,one would date Tsuba#1 earlier than Tsuba#2....Not? (hypotetic of course) fact but is the visible Kawa-gane in Tsuba No.1(the Taikan´s Yoshisuke).... THIS can not ben found in neither the Echizen nor the Awa school.(Kantei point) Very strange! Christian Quote
Akitombo Posted October 1, 2013 Report Posted October 1, 2013 Hi Chistian, I do not know if this helps, but this tsuba is from the Shibuiswords site. Ex.Skip Holbrook collection. Iron plate tsuba with large sukashi design of namako (sea cucumber). Silver inlay of ebi (lobster), a symbol of celebration and emblematic of honorable old age. The brass inlay in the six-o-clock position on reverse is representing a chapter in 'The Tales of Genji'. All inlay intact. Signed on reverse 'Echizen (no) Kuni Akao Jinsuke Saku'. H 02055.0 Early Edo ca. 1650 David.N Quote
John A Stuart Posted October 1, 2013 Report Posted October 1, 2013 One of my favourite designs. Ebi? How is that derived? That tensho character doesn't look like ebi. John Quote
Ludolf Richter Posted October 1, 2013 Report Posted October 1, 2013 Hi,here is the above b/w Jinbei in colour.Ludolf Quote
John A Stuart Posted October 1, 2013 Report Posted October 1, 2013 Thanks David, makes more sense now. John Quote
christianmalterre Posted October 1, 2013 Author Report Posted October 1, 2013 Dear David, thank you,i but already have seen this one.... Generally speaking you actually can see three Tsuba on this webside who all three are given attr. to this group. i can not see any reliance to an lineage-all three do show an completely different execution,stylism,taste,vogue... secondly i doupt it´s given age... No Akao Tsuba if we do take the Taikan examples as granted examples of that family. (this Namako Lobster Akao may be an result of an custom order by somebody had ben attracted/passionate to Higo these days...it but seems me not to be of an representative piece,however we seemingly had to thrust in it´s authenticity due the signature(?))(if correct). In fact-we do not really know much about this group(despite what has ben written and continuously repeated. That´s honestly speaking not really much info. (plus then,the obviously showing controverse in information written down) I still puzzle where this Shodai(whomever it finally may be)comes from....(bringing me back to mine first post...) Either way-thank you of course.... Christian Quote
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