kusunokimasahige Posted September 23, 2013 Report Posted September 23, 2013 For those of you who are in the states or are interested in bidding : http://www.bonhams.com/auctions/21404/ 8 Oct 2013, starting at 13:00 EDT. Enjoy. Quote
ROKUJURO Posted September 23, 2013 Report Posted September 23, 2013 Watch out for special items: No. 1138 is a SHINSHINTO KATANA by MASAHIRO dated 1944.... Quote
Jean Posted September 23, 2013 Report Posted September 23, 2013 Fine for me, Jean, I have always set store by Heian Koto swords. :D Quote
NihontoSeeker Posted September 23, 2013 Report Posted September 23, 2013 The market will only pay half of their appraised value juyo $200k ??? good luck one nice mino and ichimonji NihontoSeeker Quote
Alex A Posted September 23, 2013 Report Posted September 23, 2013 Never seen so many Kabuto and armour for sale in one place, cool. Alex. Quote
Justin Grant Posted September 23, 2013 Report Posted September 23, 2013 Who sets these estimates? LORD someone is smoking crack... Quote
kusunokimasahige Posted September 24, 2013 Author Report Posted September 24, 2013 Well, the images are nice enough And if you know how, you can reel them in KM Quote
SwordGuyJoe Posted September 24, 2013 Report Posted September 24, 2013 Heres a lot of five - including a Ichihara Ichiryushi Nagamitsu with the full signature - valued at $1,500 -$2,500. So not all of them are way too high. http://www.bonhams.com/auctions/21404/l ... cets=False Quote
Alex A Posted September 24, 2013 Report Posted September 24, 2013 How safe is it buying online from an auction like this?. Ive always been interested, not just for nihonto but other items aswell, just never got round to it. I notice the condition of the blades is not advertised and that you need to request a report, how accurate are these reports?. I can see how folk may be tempted by some of the lower end priced items. Alex Quote
pcfarrar Posted September 24, 2013 Report Posted September 24, 2013 How safe is it buying online from an auction like this?. Ive always been interested, not just for nihonto but other items aswell, just never got round to it. I notice the condition of the blades is not advertised and that you need to request a report, how accurate are these reports?. I can see how folk may be tempted by some of the lower end priced items. Your better off viewing them in person, they generally don't mention kizu in the reports. I bought one they told me had no problems and it had a nasty fukure. Quote
Alex A Posted September 24, 2013 Report Posted September 24, 2013 Ouch!, cheers Peter..... Alex. Quote
kusunokimasahige Posted September 24, 2013 Author Report Posted September 24, 2013 In general, any auction is best visited personally, especially the viewing days. Online auctions can be a problem, but Bonhams in my view is slightly smaller than Sotheby's, but plays, or tries to play in the same league. KM Quote
Eric H Posted September 24, 2013 Report Posted September 24, 2013 Who sets these estimates? LORD someone is smoking crack... google: JOE EARLE The Katsuhira tanto - an outstanding masterpiece - will fetch a high result. Eric Quote
Curran Posted September 24, 2013 Report Posted September 24, 2013 Best viewed in person, but Bonhams has upped the photography to a very high level. Estimates are just estimates. There was a Juyo Shikkake katana last year that was estimated 30-40k. One of the most beautiful I'd ever seen. I was there all 3 days of the viewing and kept going back to it, back and back.... But didn't have $40k liquid, which I thought rich even for a nice one. Auction was on a weekend, so I decided to go. THey started the bidding on the Shikkake at 15k? Holy Crap. Really? Bidding can go fast, and I expected it to blur up to 30k. My paddle is under my jacket on the chair next to me. No.... in the next 15 to 20 seconds.... it went for $22.5K. I was so friggin stunned that my brain went cold for a minute and I couldn't believe I'd just missed such a stellar Juyo for what I would expect to pay $35k to $39k for in Japan. Really....stunned in my chair feeling like I'd just dropped the ball in game 7 of the World Series. Of course, then a Juyo Naotsuna went off for 3 times what I would have paid for it..... There were some other bargains in there too.... but that Shikkake will haunt me for a while. I've got a few busy weeks ahead, but am trying to get up to NYC for the previews. Even if none of the swords interest, it is the most armor I've seen in a while and I recognize a few from museum exhibits. Quote
uwe Posted September 25, 2013 Report Posted September 25, 2013 Most of the armor estimates are somewhat optimistic , particularly with regard to the additional cost (buyers premium....etc) However, out of range for me Quote
Curran Posted September 26, 2013 Report Posted September 26, 2013 Trying to arrange to be in NYC that week. Knowing some of the estates several some of these items are coming from, there are two or three blades I hoped to see and are not in the auction. Quote
seattle1 Posted September 27, 2013 Report Posted September 27, 2013 Hello: For those interested in the armor at the Bonham sale this is to let you know that Andy Mancabelli, who might be serving as their armor man, I am not sure, will be talking on Sunday the 6th about (the armor?) at what I assume is the auction house. He is very well informed in that area and for those interested in the armor it might be helpful. Check with Bonham's. Arnold F. Quote
Curran Posted October 2, 2013 Report Posted October 2, 2013 Got the print catalog too and see the Mancabelli lecture. Noted that several of the armor were formerly on display at the Fraiser Museum. Thought I recognized them. Looking forward to seeing them in person, if family life allows. There are several items where the photography is wanting a bit. ie. Either only 1 photo, or item is upside down, or only the back of the item is shown. Would recommend the on-line catalog over the print one. Quote
christianmalterre Posted October 2, 2013 Report Posted October 2, 2013 very interested in how the sale is going finally... representative items and most of pretty good quality here,not that ofthen to be seen meanwhile i may say... Good luck in the sale!(those members here i do know and did give for auction) Jbw-what did happen to Andy and Boris?(just browsed and saw their´s side is locked down?) really wonder as their´s material was always pretty much prime class least if not high end in interest for some guys like me interested in early pieces...do feel an bit sad to see that some objects have/had to ben "spread" to an auction house now....(?) Christian Quote
myochin Posted October 2, 2013 Report Posted October 2, 2013 Hello, I am a little intrigued by 2 daishô (1124 & 1142). For a true daishô I would have expected the papers to have been attributed to BOTH blades at the same time. But in both cases they have been attributed at different times (1124: 38 years apart; 1142: 13 years apart). Would this be considered normal ? Thanks. Paul. Quote
Jean Posted October 2, 2013 Report Posted October 2, 2013 Paul, Normal, if you read through you'll see they are daisho of ..... Koshirae. Search the board for Daisho, it has been discuted over at length Quote
myochin Posted October 2, 2013 Report Posted October 2, 2013 Merci Jean! One has to always read through the lines. Paul. Quote
Jean Posted October 2, 2013 Report Posted October 2, 2013 No problem, Paul. Reading your post, I just checked but there was only one solution left :D Quote
christianmalterre Posted October 2, 2013 Report Posted October 2, 2013 Oh(ouch)...(?)(puzzeled now!)-that boaring blades- you do finally mean Jean? but not honestly,i do hopefully suspect now reading this, you do joke me out an Cassoulet here...(?!) (me again..big LOL :D ) Chriatian Edit: I LOVE CASSOULET!-so no worry at all with me...together with an nice Bordeaux,,?...hmmmmh.... Concerning those blades -hmmmh,well,seems me unseen correct-such,no worry! (I do joke here!) Christian Quote
kusunokimasahige Posted October 3, 2013 Author Report Posted October 3, 2013 This one looks quite battered.... (zoom in on the cutting edge...) http://www.bonhams.com/auctions/21404/lot/1158/ . Quote
Curran Posted October 3, 2013 Report Posted October 3, 2013 This one looks quite battered.... (zoom in on the cutting edge...) http://www.bonhams.com/auctions/21404/lot/1158/ . You are not kidding. Think that one met with a machine gun barrel and failed to live up to the mythology. Quote
Toryu2020 Posted October 4, 2013 Report Posted October 4, 2013 We talk a lot about the importance of books and research on this forum, I would like to point out that there is a tremendous library of books being auctioned here as well. The bulk of these were the personal library of John Yumoto, collected over 50 years study. There are some awesome books here with nearly every important work represented. Will be interesting to see if the book buyers come out... -t Quote
DirkO Posted October 4, 2013 Report Posted October 4, 2013 I actually sent them a mail about this book lot - it puzzles me that they didn't split it up - I think you'd have more buyers for a number of smaller lots instead of this huge library... Quote
Toryu2020 Posted October 4, 2013 Report Posted October 4, 2013 I agree Dave but I can also see that they do not want to have a bunch of books bought in, there are maybe several ways they could have split these up; by subject, by author, by era. If youre not careful making up the lots you get stuck with a lot of modern books and not so rare stuff. Also it would take a whole weekend to auction them all in lots of four or five. Since this was the private library of a gentlemen, I think they are hoping some other gentlemen will want to keep it whole for himself. I note that the many reference works on Chinese art that were in this library are not on offer - I suppose we can expect to see those in some future auction... -t Quote
Soshin Posted October 5, 2013 Report Posted October 5, 2013 Jbw-what did happen to Andy and Boris?(just browsed and saw their´s side is locked down?) really wonder as their´s material was always pretty much prime class least if not high end in interest for some guys like me interested in early pieces...do feel an bit sad to see that some objects have/had to ben "spread" to an auction house now....(?) Christian Hi Christian, This tsuba was saved from the Bonharns auction next week and is now in my collection. I picked it up on a trade at the Baltimore show. It was listed on the Yamabushi Antiques website by Andy and Boris for a very long time. I don't think Andy and Boris ever showed a view of the rim on their website. It has some wonderful glandular tekkotsu on the rim. :D Quote
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