kissakai Posted August 24, 2013 Report Posted August 24, 2013 Hi These are two apparently Bushū tsuba but I have two queries I have used the JSSUS website but the mei for Bushū appears to be different I’m also confused when a tsuba is described as: Bushū Ito Bushū Ito 1) Masatoshi 正寿 Bushū 武州 ju 住 2) Mitsuyoshi 盈善 Bushū 武州 - 房州 Bushu - Ito = 伊藤 ju 住 Haynes H05599 I use the JSSUS website so I can cut/paste the kanji. Are there any other websites for mei where I can cut/paste the kanji Grev UK Quote
MauroP Posted August 24, 2013 Report Posted August 24, 2013 Hi Grev, I'm really a newcomer, but I guess the mei of the two tsuba should be Kōfu jū (江府住) rather than Bushū (武州). As far as I know there were at least 3 places named Kōfu, but I think that in a tsuba mei Kōfu was simply a part of Edo. Bye, Mauro Quote
MauroP Posted August 24, 2013 Report Posted August 24, 2013 (addendum) The complete mei of the first tsuba could be Kōfu jū Namitoshi (江府住 並壽). See for reference: http://www.finesword.co.jp/sale/kodougu/htm/1051_2000/1801_1850/1811/k1811.htm The mei of the second tsuba could be Kōfu jū Mitsuyoshi (江府住 満喜). See: http://www.e-sword.jp/sale/0810_6099syousai.htm Quote
John A Stuart Posted August 24, 2013 Report Posted August 24, 2013 The second tsuba is not H 05599 Mitsuyoshi. You have used the wrong kanji. It is H 05598 Mitsuyoshi using 満喜 signing Kofu ju, Kogawa ju and Bushu ju. I agree with Mauro that the first tsuba is by H 06581 Namitoshi, signing Kofu ju. John Quote
docliss Posted August 24, 2013 Report Posted August 24, 2013 Dear Grev In reply to your query re the Bushū (Itō) school, the two terms are interchangeable. This group is dealt with very comprehensively on pp.179-184 of Tsuba: an Aesthetic Study. But to summarise this, there were two Itō schools – the Edo Itō and the Odawara Itō, and there is some debate regarding the origin of these. Both schools were founded in the Genroku era, the former by Itō Masanaga (H 0427.0) and the latter by his brother, Itō Masatsugu (H 04687.0). We cannot say which of these was the first, but the Edo Itō school was by far the most prosperous and successful. It is probable that there was initially a single Itō group with a common style, and that later members changed their place of residence from Edo to Odawara and, with this, their work style. Robinson, however, proposes in The Arts of the Japanese Sword that Itō Masatsugu founded the school at Odawara but that, when his descendant I. Masatsune was appointed by the Shōgun, the family headquarters was removed to Edo. It is claimed that ‘the signature and style of these two groups … are entirely different’, but there is no clarification of these differences, and I personally find it difficult to reliably separate the two. Edo Itō work might be expected to reflect the prosperity and Shōgunal support that this group enjoyed, together with the sophistication of their Edo origin, influences that were not present in Odawara. But to separate Bushū (Itō) work into these two subdivisions can be very difficult. John L. Quote
Ludolf Richter Posted August 27, 2013 Report Posted August 27, 2013 I have 3 pics in my database,which may be from Masayosi H 05598 and/or H 05599.Ludolf Quote
John A Stuart Posted August 27, 2013 Report Posted August 27, 2013 Not Masa, 満 has some varied readings Mitsu, Michi, Ma, but, no Masa I think. John Quote
Ludolf Richter Posted August 27, 2013 Report Posted August 27, 2013 Hi John!You are right.I have no idea,why I wrote Masayoshi instead Mitsuyoshi:Freud?!In fact I have them only as Mitsuyoshi in my database and my newly made Masayoshi-pic with the 3 examples is wrong.Sorry.Ludolf Quote
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