pcfarrar Posted July 14, 2013 Report Posted July 14, 2013 I recently picked up an interesting mokume ji tsuba signed Terumichi. Any ideas if this is the work of Sano Terumichi? I can't find any examples of his work to compare with this mei. From Haynes: Worked : Edo, Died: 1825, Student of Sano Naoteru (H 06794) Thanks, Peter Quote
docliss Posted July 14, 2013 Report Posted July 14, 2013 Can we please have a close-up view of the mei? John L. Quote
Ludolf Richter Posted July 15, 2013 Report Posted July 15, 2013 Hi,I have only one example in my database.From the Mei of that Kozuka,yours seems to be Gimei.Ludolf Quote
pcfarrar Posted July 15, 2013 Author Report Posted July 15, 2013 Is it possible my tsuba is by a swordsmith who signed Terumichi as opposed to Sano Terumichi? eg. http://nihontoclub.com/smiths/TER26 Quote
Ludolf Richter Posted July 15, 2013 Report Posted July 15, 2013 That's not the work of a swordsmith.The Japanese seller ("Katana-Maeda") on Ebay (July 10,US $ 276 plus $ 19 for shipping) had claimed the Tsuba to be the work of Sano Terumichi.If he would have had a proof,i.e.a paper,that it was made by the stated artist,the Tsuba would not have been so cheap. Ludolf Quote
pcfarrar Posted July 15, 2013 Author Report Posted July 15, 2013 That's not the work of a swordsmith.The Japanese seller ("Katana-Maeda") on Ebay (July 10,US $ 276 plus $ 19 for shipping) had claimed the Tsuba to be the work of Sano Terumichi.If he would have had a proof,i.e.a paper,that it was made by the stated artist,the Tsuba would not have been so cheap. Ludolf I already agreed that it wasn't that work of Sano Terumichi after seeing your example. I was just asking if there is a possibility of it being by someone else who signed Terumichi. You seem to be under the illusion that I bought it believing it was by Sano Terumichi, I did not. I bought it because I liked it, plain and simple. Quote
docliss Posted July 15, 2013 Report Posted July 15, 2013 Peter, there are two possible alternatives as to the maker of your tsuba. Firstly, that it bears a gimei mei by an unknown maker, intended to deceive a purchaser or, secondly, that it is by second artist who signed Terumichi. Since Haynes lists only one such artist, Sano Terumichi (H 09593.0), using these kanji, he is thus presently unrecognised. John L. Quote
Brian Posted July 15, 2013 Report Posted July 15, 2013 Signed or not, that's a good price for a nice mokume tsuba. They are not common at all. Brian Quote
christianmalterre Posted July 16, 2013 Report Posted July 16, 2013 Dear Peter, did you look into the latter Myochin school of Tsubamakers? The Myochin are known to have produced Tsuba with that excellent Mokume pattern in latter Edo... I don´t have the charts of names from them,do but eventually see an possibility to find something out here...? just an idea so far... Christian Quote
John A Stuart Posted July 16, 2013 Report Posted July 16, 2013 You may find some of the nanori associated with the Myochin family in this list. Miyochin. Family of armourers and workers in metal. The genealogy of the family extends back to the second century of the Christian era, 43 CHISELLERS but as armourers their history may be said to commence with the six- teenth representative, Munemichi. The names are as follows, in chrono- logical order : Miyochin. Munemichi. 640 A.D. Miyochin. Munetsugu. 670. Said to have forged armour for the Emperor Tenji. Miyochin. Munetoshi. 690. Miyochin. Munematsu. 720. Miyochin. MunemorL 760. Miyochin. Munemaro. 800. Armourer to the Emperor Kwamma and Seiwa. Miyochin. Muneshima. 820. Miyochin. Munekuni. 840. Miyochin. Munetora, 860. Miyochin. Muneyori. 880. Miyochin. Muneshimo. 890. Miyochin. Munemori. 910. Miyochin. Munetoshi. 930. Miyochin Munezane. 980. Said to have forged a shield of gold for Mi- namoto no Mitsunaka. Miyochin. Munekazu. 1010. Miyochin. Munekuni. 1030. Miyochin. Munenaka. 1060. Miyochin. Munetsune. noo. Known in the artistic world as Go-Munet- sugu, or the " second Munetsugu," having changed his name to Munet- sugu in his late years. Said to have forged iron armour decorated with eight varieties of dragons (hachi- riyo). Miyochin. Muneyoshi. 1140. Miyochin. Munesuke (i). 1154 to 1185. Called also Masuda. Had the rank of Idzumo no Kami. Worked first in Idzumo for Yori- tomo ; then in Kyoto, and finally for the Minamoto in Kamakura. He is said to have forged the suit of armour worn by Yoshitsume, and now preserved at the Kasuga Temple. Commonly he is spoken of as the first representative of the family, but the fact is that the art of decorative forging first became admirable in his hands. Miyochin. Munekiyo(2). 1200. Worked at Kamakura. Had the rank of Gi- yobu Taiyu. Miydchin. Muneyuki(3). 1215. Worked at Kyoto. Had rank of Giyobu Taiyu. Miy5chin. Munemasu (4). 1225. Worked at Katsuyama in the province of Kii. One of the greatest of the Miyochin artists. Had the rank of Hyoye-no-Suke. Miyochin. Muneyoshi. 1200. Second son of Munesuke. Miyochin. Munehide. 1200. Third son of Munesuke. Miyochin. Muneyasu. 1200. Fourth son of Munesuke. Miyochin. Yoshikiyo. 1220. Son of Muneyoshi. Miyochin. Yoshitsugu. 1220. Son of Muneyoshi. MiySchin. Munenao. 1230. Second son of Munekiyo. Miyochin. Muneshige (5). 1240. Lived at Odawara. Had the rank of Sak- yo no Tayu. Miyochin. Munekane. 1240. Second son of Muneyuki. Miyochin. Munesumi. 1250. Third son of Muneyuki. Miyochin. Muneto. 1240. Second son of Munemasu. Miyochin. Munetada(6). 1270. Worked at Sano in Mino. Had the rank of Shin-dayu. Miy5chin. Shigeiye. 1270. Second son of Muneshige. Miyochin. Yoshishige. 1270. Third son of Muneshige. Miyochin. Munetsuna (7). 1300. Worked in Kyoto. Had rank of Sakon no Tayu. Miyochin. Muneyoshi. 1310. Second son of Munetada. Miyochin. Munemitsu (. 1320. Worked in Kyoto. Had rank of Hyobu Taiyu. Miyochin. Munenori. 1330. Second son of Munetsuna. Miyochin. Munemasa (9). 1330. Worked in Kyoto. Had rank of Sakon no Tayu. Miyochin. Muneyasu (10). 1380. Worked in Kyoto. Had rank of Hyoye-no-Suke. Made a gold helmet for the Shogun Yoshimitsu. He re- ceived large estates in recognition of his skill. The first ten generations of the family, from Munesuke in the twelfth century to Muneyasu in the four- teenth, are known as " Miyochin no Judai," or the " Ten generations of MiySchin." They occupy in the his- tory of armour-forging a place some- what analogous to that occupied by 44 CHISELLERS the fourteen generations of Goto masters in the history of sword- mount decoration. Muneyasu, the tenth representative, is specially cele- brated. Miyochin. Munetoki. 1380. Second son of Munemasa. Miyochin. Yoshihiro (n). 1400. Worked in Kyoto. Had rank of Sakyo no Tayu. Miyochin. Yoshitada (12). 1420. Worked in Kyoto. Rank, Sahiyoye no Jo. Miyochin. Yoshinori (13). 1440. Worked in Kyoto. Called also Goro- dayu. Miyochin. Yoshinaga (14). 1450. Worked in Kyoto. Rank, Shikibu Tayu. One of the greatest of the family. Miyochin. Yoshiari(i5). 1480. Worked at Kamakura. Called also Shinjiro. Miyochin. Yoshiyasu (16). 1520. Worked at Fuchiu in Hitachi and at Odawara. Called also Samuro-dayu. The six representatives from (u) to (16) are known as the Rokudai, or the " Six Generations." They are also called Giyoshi, or the " Honour- able Masters." The names are : Yoshihiro, Yoshitada, Yoshinori, Yoshinaga, Yoshiari, and Yoshiyasu. Miyochin. * Takayoshi. 1450. Sec- ond son of Yoshinori, and not a rep- resentative of the main line, but one of the most celebrated of the Miyo- chin artists. Worked at Kamakura. Miyochin. Yoshihisa. 1460. Second son of Yoshinaga. Miyochin. *Yoshimichi. 1500. Second son of Yoshiari. Worked in Kyoto. Not a representative of the main line, but a renowned master. MiySchin. Katsuyoshi. 1510. Third son of Yoshiari. Miyochin. *Nobuiye (17). 1520. Orig- inally called Yasuiye. Worked at Shirai in Joshiu. One of the most celebrated of the Miyochin Mas- ters. The three names marked with an asterisk, Takayoshi, Yoshimichi, and Nobuiye are those of the " Nochi no Sansaku," or " Three Later Masters." Miyochin. Narikuni. 1470. Worked at Yawata in Joshiu. Son of Yoshihisa. Miyochin. Kunichika. 1420. Son of Yoshihisa. Miyochin. Narichika. 1420. Son of Yoshihisa. Worked in Joshiu. One of the great Miyochin Masters. Miyochin. Narishige. 1500. Son of Narichika. Worked at Yawata in Kozuke. One of the great Miyo- chin Masters. Miyochin. Kunihisa. 1530. Son of Narishige. Miyochin. Hisaiye. 1550. Son of Kunihisa. Worked at Kamakura. One of the Miyochin celebrities. Miyochin. Fusanobu. 1530. Son of Yoshiyasu. Miyochin. Munehisa. 1580. Grandson of Yoshiyasu. Miyochin. Katsumasa. 1580. Grand- son of Yoshiyasu. Worked in Joshiu. One of the great Miyochin Masters. Miyochin. Yoshihisa. 1630. Son of Munehisa. Worked at Kamakura. One of the great Miyochin Mas- ters. Miyochin. Yoshishige. 1620. Son of Yoshihisa. Miyochin. Sadaiye (18). 1550. Worked in Odawara and Iga. Called also Hachiro and Heiroku. Miyochin. Fusaiye. 1540. Second son of Nobuiye. Worked in Joshiu. A great master. Miyochin. Fusamune. 1550. Third son of Nobuiye. Worked at Oda- wara. A celebrity. Miyochin. Muneiye (19). 1580. Worked in Omi. Manufactured a celebrated helmet for Tokugawa lyeyasu. Called also Kindaro. Miyochin. Munenobu (20). 1600. Son of Mnneiye. Worked in Yedo and Osaka. One of the great Miyochin Masters. Miydchin. Munekiyo. 1620. Second son of Muneiye. Miyochin. Munenaga. 1620. Third son of Muneiye. Myochin. Kunimori (21). 1620. Worked in Yedo. Son of Munenobu. Had rank of Nagato no Kami. Called also Kunimichi. Miyochin. Harunobu. 1620. Second son of Munenobu. Miyochin. Muneshige (22). 1640. Worked in Yedo. Had rank of Nagato no Kami. 45 CHISELLERS Miyftchin. Munetoshi or Kunimichi. (23), 1650. Worked in Yedo. MiySchin. Munenushi. 1650. Second son of Muneshige. MiySchin. Munemasa. 1650. Third son of Muneshige. Miyochin. Munesuke (24). 1710. Worked in Yedo. Had rank of Osumi no Kami. Miyochin. Munemasa (25). 1730. Second son of Munesuke. Worked in Yedo, and had rank of Osumi no Kami. Miyochin. Munemasa (26). 1740. Worked in Yedo. Had rank of Nagato no Kami. Called also Seijiro. Miyochin. Munetaye (27). 1760. Had rank of Osumi no Kami. Miyochin. Pupils of Yoshimichi. 1500. Kyoto. 1. Yoshikatsu. 2. Yoshimichi. 3. Yoshiiye. Miyochin. Pupils of Nobuiye. 1520. Joshiu. 1 . lyefusa. 2. Nobutada. 3. Nobuyuki. 4. Nobumasa, 5. Nobutsuna, 6. Nobumitsu. Miyochin. Pupils of Narishige. 1500. Kozuke. 1. NariyoshL 2. Naritada, 3. Naritsugu. 4. Munehisa. 5. Munetoki. 1 Quote
christianmalterre Posted July 16, 2013 Report Posted July 16, 2013 WOW!!!!! THANKS JOHN! :D :D :D i did not have this till yet... Excellent. Christian Quote
docliss Posted July 16, 2013 Report Posted July 16, 2013 John’s impressive genealogy of the Myōchin family inevitably references the reader to a carefully researched article by Ian Bottomley. This, ’A Reappraisal of the Myōchin Armourers’, was published in Newsletter 2004, Issue 1, of the Northern Token Society (UK), and casts serious doubt upon the genealogy of this family prior to M. Kunimichi, ca 1700-1750. John L. Quote
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