Hayabusa Posted June 16, 2013 Report Posted June 16, 2013 I would love any pictures , photo copy's or information on surrender tags anyone may hold , I only have one myself but find them fascinating any help much appreciated Thank you steve Quote
Mark C Posted June 16, 2013 Report Posted June 16, 2013 Hi Steve, Here's one I have. And my attempts to translate it. Right hand side 四 Shi 二 Ni - 42, maybe 42nd 兵 Hei 站 tan 地 Chi 区 ku - District ? 本 Hom 部 bu - Headquarters ? Left hand side 陸 Riku 軍 gun - Land army? 曹 So 長 cho - Sergeant Major? As always, open to corrections. Regards Mark Quote
Hayabusa Posted June 17, 2013 Author Report Posted June 17, 2013 That is fantastic , thank you Mark I just find these historically important , and fascinating research... Thank you Quote
george trotter Posted June 18, 2013 Report Posted June 18, 2013 Just for your info Steve, I have a good gendaito with silver habaki in Type 98 mounts made by an unknown smith Shigekuni. It was surrendered on Halmahera Is. in the Netherlands East Indies (Moluccas) to the Australians in Sept. 1945. It is surrender marked, but in English, and on the blade! It is probably put on by the Japanese before he surrendered it. Written with a fountain pen just in front of the habaki you can see a few spots of ink still and the scratches made by the nib, It says: "Surrendered by 2nd Lt. Kume Kaede Div (Yellow Autumn Leaves) " (this means yellow/red maple leaves falling in autumn) Made by Shigekuni" I don't know anything about Lt. Kume or the Australian who received this sword. It was part of the general capitulaion of Japanese Forces. The surrender was taken 11 Sept. 1945 by Major Philips AIF. The Kaede Diviision was the 32nd Division consisting of the 210-211-212 Regiments. The Divisional commander was Lt. Gen. Yoshino and the command was under Col. Kosugi. They were part of the 2nd Army (Lt. Gen. Teshima) of the Southern Army-2nd Area Army (Gen. Anami). Hope this is of interest. Regards, Edit to add: I looked this Division up on wikipedia and it says that they surrendered to the 93rd US Division on 26th August 1945. As my info (with pics) comes from the Aust. War Memorial Archives and several of my uncles served on Morotai etc, there must have been perhaps a "major surrender" to the US and some "minor surrenders" to the Australians. Quote
Hayabusa Posted June 19, 2013 Author Report Posted June 19, 2013 That is really interesting George, I love the research, do you have a picture at all , when you have the time, many thanks Steve Quote
george trotter Posted June 20, 2013 Report Posted June 20, 2013 Hi Steve, I'm the world's worst photographer but here goes... There are 3 lines written with a fountain pen. On shinogi ji is written 1 line : "Sword of 2nd Lt. Kume" (I said "Surrendered by" in orig post which is wrong). On ji in 2 lines is: "Kaede Div (Yellow (Autumn) Leaves)" "Made by Shigekuni" Sorry for lousy pic. Regards, Quote
george trotter Posted June 20, 2013 Report Posted June 20, 2013 Here is OA pic...this is a nice sword, too bad he is unrecorded....unless someone has info on a gendaitosho named Shigekuni?...maybe in Markus' book? (I don't have). Shigekuni is the same kanji as the Nanki Shigekuni smith meis. Regards, Quote
Kai-Gunto Posted June 21, 2013 Report Posted June 21, 2013 There are 2 smiths , one from 1804-1818 civil name Monju Kuroemon and one from 1844-1848 civil name Monju Takenosuke. Cant find smiths with that name from Showa period. Quote
george trotter Posted June 21, 2013 Report Posted June 21, 2013 Thanks for looking Thomas....none is him as he is Showa for sure. Maybe one day we will find him. Regards, Quote
falconj Posted July 4, 2013 Report Posted July 4, 2013 here's one set of two sets that I have, I will have to search a bit harder for the other missing set, its here somewhere :? regards John Quote
george trotter Posted July 4, 2013 Report Posted July 4, 2013 Just seeing if I get it right...not sure of army unit names. RH column: NanTo No 38 Shidan ( Southeast 38th Division) Middle: Endo Butai, Iwasa Tai (Endo's detachment, Iwasa's section) LH his name: Sugie Seiichi. (or Shoichi). 38th Div was in Hong Kong, then Netherlands East Indies then Guadalcanal then Admiralty Is (Rabaul etc). This is probably where the sword was surrendered. The regiments were 228 Nagoya Regt, 229 Gifu, 230 Shizuoka. Had very heavy losses on Guadalcanal etc. Hope this helps. Quote
mdiddy Posted July 5, 2013 Report Posted July 5, 2013 Here is one I had sometime back. I have a couple more that I'll see if I can get good pictures of. Matt Quote
falconj Posted July 6, 2013 Report Posted July 6, 2013 thanks George and all, I had a slightly different translation to you George, and I believe his name was Sugito, as always I may be wrong see below regards John Quote
george trotter Posted July 6, 2013 Report Posted July 6, 2013 Hi John, you are correct...Sugito not Sugie (as they say in Japan: Edo no do, not Edo no E)...my misread duuhhh! Better let you give the trans on this one of Captain Mase...(or is it Manase? Regards, Geo. Quote
falconj Posted July 7, 2013 Report Posted July 7, 2013 gidday there George and all, yes, I seem to remember that we checked and actually contacted him on the option of returning the sword to the said Ltn??? Sugito back in about 1987 ??? and yes, he was still alive then and I think living in Nagoya from memory, but was not really interested in the return of the sword, that he had purchased as a young officer, from an armament shop in Tokyo, before being mobilised and going away to the WW2 conflict, but I don't know his status now unfortunately, but I do still have his sword and the tags. regards John Quote
george trotter Posted July 7, 2013 Report Posted July 7, 2013 That is interesting John, I do like the tidbits of history that sometimes accompany these swords. Regards, Quote
Mark S. Posted July 8, 2013 Report Posted July 8, 2013 Here are both sides of a tag for a sword I have. Sword was made by Unjousai Katsunaga, an undocumented smith. I'm going to assume (?) both sides read the same about who owned the sword. Mark S. Quote
Hayabusa Posted July 9, 2013 Author Report Posted July 9, 2013 Thanks mark That is a really nice one does anyone want to sell any tags? Thanks Steve Quote
falconj Posted July 10, 2013 Report Posted July 10, 2013 Gidday All, I finally found the missing tags that I was thinking of, these maybe not as clear as the last ones to read, but I still think someone may be able to decipher them regards John Quote
falconj Posted July 10, 2013 Report Posted July 10, 2013 thanks for clearing that translation up Morita-san I had it as the "Colonel Tanaka Unit and "Imai" as the owners name I have updated my records regards John Quote
kelibus Posted July 16, 2013 Report Posted July 16, 2013 Hi! have this on a saya, but have no translation maybe some help? Best regards Claes Quote
george trotter Posted July 17, 2013 Report Posted July 17, 2013 Hi Claes, The Right column says TanRenTo = Forged sword. The Left column says ?SenEn = (value?) 1000 yen Can you show us the blade and signature mei please? Regards, Quote
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