koto or shinto or ??????

[Cello]

Can anyone tell me if this mumei katana is koto or shinto??I was thinking it's a koto by the patina and the seller also mentions that it has a punched anna and not drilled .....

[hxv]

Dear Marcello,

 

It's next to impossible to tell from the pictures you posted. May be close up, focused pictures of the boshi, yakidashi and the whole sugata would clue us in.

 

Regards,

Hoanh

[Cello]

I will definitely post some pictures of my own as soon as possible... Just looking for any thoughts anyone may have.....

[David Flynn]

By the Nakago, maybe Shinshinto.

[NihontoEurope]

Hello,

 

Based on the poor images I would say neither and challenge with Shinsaku.

 

/Martin

[Brian]

Impossible to tell. Punched ana happened through the Shinto period too.

Someone would have to look at it in hand.

 

Brian

[kunitaro]

Dear Marcello san,

 

Always go back to Basic.

 

need to see whole Sugata (shape) of the sword.

[Bruno]

Dear Kunitaro sama,

 

Do you have the names that match the numbers?

 

Thanks

[Marius]

Do you have the names that match the numbers?

 

Here they are:

 

http://new.uniquejapan.com/wp-content/u ... lution.jpg

[Brian]

Try this. (Ah, Mariusz was 3 minutes faster :lol: )

 

Brian

[kunitaro]

1. Choku-To (Jo-Koto) ~ 9th Century

2. Tachi/Taoyame-buri (Heian period) 11th ~12th Century

3. Tachi/Masurao-buri (Early Kamakura period) Late 12th Century

4. Tachi (Kamakura period) 13th century

5. Tachi/Nodachi (Nanbokucho period) Mid. 14th Century

6. Tachi (Oei period) late 14th ~ 15th Century

7. Katana (Sue-Koto) Late 16th Century

8. Katana (Keicho-Shinto) 1570-1600

9. Katana (Kanbun Shinto) around 1665

10. Katana (After Genroku) 　　 18th Century

11. Katana (Shinshinto) Bakumatsu/End of 19th Century

 

PS: 7. 16th century is not one style.

after "Gun (1545)" was introduced, the armour became thicker, then the sword became bigger.

i would like to separate maybe 3 parts, Early-Mid-Late Muromachi period.

 

8. Keicho Shinto is the Shape of o-suriage no.5 Nodachi, Nanbokucho period.

9. Kanbun Shinto is the shape of o-suriage no.2 Tachi, Heian period.

[Bruno]

Thanks Mariusz, Brian and Kunitaro!

[Ron STL]

I've found that typically, the nakago-mune on shin-to katana are noticably maru-mune. On ko-to katana they are more flat or almost flat. As for shinshin-to, I'd like to say the nakago-mune would more look ko-to but the rest of the blade's sugata and nakago should make its newness fairly obvious. Always tough to judge the overall "blade" in this condition.

Ron STL

[Doug]

Saw this blade on eBay too, given that seller seemed to have a working knowledge of nihonto and it's length being only 24" I passed. Please do post more pics when you have in hand!

 

Doug

[Brian]

I've found that typically, the nakago-mune on shin-to katana are noticably maru-mune. On ko-to katana they are more flat or almost flat. As for shinshin-to, I'd like to say the nakago-mune would more look ko-to but the rest of the blade's sugata and nakago should make its newness fairly obvious. Always tough to judge the overall "blade" in this condition.

Ron STL

Ron,

That is an intriguing hypothesis, and a new one to me. Might warrant a separate thread to see what others experiences are and see if there are enough examples to consider this when looking at a blade?

 

Brian

[Cello]

Doug I will definitely post them. Last gamble I made on ebay turned out to be Amazu Masakiyo student gendiato, which I will be reselling soon if anyone is intrested....I'm probably pushing my luck by its the only gambling I do these days lol..