Viper6924 Posted June 2, 2013 Report Posted June 2, 2013 Hi Guys! A very quick question about an armorbox. First there is a mon on the front. I haven´t been able to find which clan it belongs to. Also there is a kanji on the side. I see this and others like this one on many old boxes. Whats does it mean? Any help would be great! Thanks! Jan Quote
IanB Posted June 2, 2013 Report Posted June 2, 2013 Jan, Sorry but is a kamon I have not come across before - not unusual. The kanji is easy - 'FRONT' Ian Bottomley Quote
Viper6924 Posted June 2, 2013 Author Report Posted June 2, 2013 Thanks, Ian! I thought it might mean front, but now I'm sure :-) Well, the world of kamon is truely large... On another note, I'm enjoying a really warm day in the garden. Todays choice of book: Arms & Armour... I'm pretty sure I know the writer Thanks again, Ian! Jan Quote
Baka Gaijin Posted June 3, 2013 Report Posted June 3, 2013 Morning Jan, The central flower on the Kamon looks a little like a Bell Flower (aka Balloon Flower), which is called Kikyou. Can you get a sharper front (flat) on picture of the Kamon please? Cheers Quote
Bugyotsuji Posted June 3, 2013 Report Posted June 3, 2013 Ian, the kanji may be easy for you as you know about armour, but most people could surely never read that, the old form of Mae, with 止 on top and 舟 underneath! Quote
IanB Posted June 3, 2013 Report Posted June 3, 2013 Jan, How I wish I could have revised that book years ago. When it was in the final throws before printing, the editor ( ) had deleted all the Japanese terminology and replaced it with what she thought was the corresponding English. As a result it went to press with all manner of errors - even to odd paragraphs being missed out. Still it made a start. Piers, Not really clever at all - what other kanji would you expect on the front of an armour box? I knew it wasn't normal but thought the general form was right. After paddling around in the pool of Japanese arms and armour for 50 odd years I have come to expect anything. Ian B. Quote
Viper6924 Posted June 3, 2013 Author Report Posted June 3, 2013 Working with media I know the conflict between the writer and the publisher. Even if I in this case I don´t really understand why she interfered with Your work, Ian. But perhaps it´s time for a new project. Being such an authority on this subject, I know I would love an updated (new) book from Your hands. But I guess it involves a lot of hard work. Not only writing it but also fighting for the original text to remain in the final draft. Malcom, I´m waiting for the box to be shipped to me. When I have it in my hand I will publish more pictures of the mon. Tried to blow up the one I have. Thanks! Jan Quote
Stephen Posted June 3, 2013 Report Posted June 3, 2013 looks to be a Mokko or Melon type, which family i dont find in my book Quote
Viper6924 Posted June 20, 2013 Author Report Posted June 20, 2013 Well, the armour box has now arrived to my house. So here´s a better picture of the mon. Haven´t even come close in any of my books to find a similar design. Jan Quote
Viper6924 Posted June 20, 2013 Author Report Posted June 20, 2013 Thanks, Uwe! Can always trust a Satsuma-man to step up and help :D Jan Quote
Bugyotsuji Posted June 21, 2013 Report Posted June 21, 2013 Jan, congratulations on your Yoroi-bitsu. If it's still an open field, then let's have a go at naming it at least. It's all in a thick circle, so Maru ni... Then we seem to have a surrounding of clouds, so ...kumo ni... In the middle could be five petal 唐花 Karahana, so "Maru ni Kumo ni Karahana". Or Maru ni Karahana with a lining of Kumo! :lol: Quote
Viper6924 Posted June 21, 2013 Author Report Posted June 21, 2013 The meaning is perhaps " A heavenly flower that grows in the clouds" I haven't come across this mix before, thats for sure. Thanks for the "classification", Piers! Jan Quote
Bugyotsuji Posted June 21, 2013 Report Posted June 21, 2013 Here are some pics, background info and family names, taken from two Mon books. Book 1. Quote
Bugyotsuji Posted June 21, 2013 Report Posted June 21, 2013 Book 2. *Notice on the left there is one with an 'external snow ring'... Quote
Bugyotsuji Posted June 21, 2013 Report Posted June 21, 2013 To make it a little more accurate those are overlapping or 'joined' petals on the Chinese flower pattern, so... "Maru ni kumo ni Musubi Kara-hana" ? :lol: Quote
Viper6924 Posted June 21, 2013 Author Report Posted June 21, 2013 Wow, Piers! Well done of finding the exact flower Mmm, wonder if there is any more info out there to be found? Perhaps we have to wait for some help from the Shimazu-clan... Thanks again, Piers! Jan Quote
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