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Brian

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A shinsakuto for that money is real cheap. Yeah, someone got a good deal.

Always wonder how such a recently made sword ends up on auction for such a low price. I guess estate sales maybe? Guys..make sure your family knows what your swords are worth. :|

 

Brian

Alex A Grand Master

Alex A

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Its sad that someones pride and joy could end up going for nothing. We dont own things in life, we just borrow them for a while..crikey, im geting depressing lol, thats what working nights does :crazy: ..

 

Alex.

Nickupero Proficient

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Alex I think a good word for what your saying is "custodian", because that's all we really are to these items.

I found the blade was oddly positioned in the photos, although it may have looked nice visually the person responsible obviously doesn't know the basics to handling a blade, at least if it were out of polish.... unless the platform was made of a softer material.

Jean

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Alex,

 

What you don't know, won't hurt you and things happening after passing away won't be anymore your concern :D

 

BTW, this low-end philosophy applies to all belongings.

 

Live and enjoy. Forget the ones who say that philosophy is the way to learn how to die.

Adrian Mentor

Adrian

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Unfortunately this sort of things happen with collectors all the times. It's a good idea, when possible, to let the family know the value of the pieces you own (at least the important ones) and the channels they should use to sell them, should the need appear.

 

You don't take anything with you on the other side (the Egyptians would have disagreed) but it's not a bad idea to let the loved ones make the most of it.

Lance Proficient

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Alex I think a good word for what your saying is "custodian", because that's all we really are to these items.

 

Custodian is a good term, I wonder what weighs more heavily, the value or future care of a favorite sword or tosogu? (something perceived as valuable will usually receive better care though)

 

Regards,

Lance

Alex A Grand Master

Alex A

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For me its the future care, once there paid for, there paid for.. It would be a shame to restore a blade only for it to go to ruin in the future. I wouldnt pass them on for someone to make a quick buck, id rather give them away to someone who will appreciate them and look after them, but then again maybe thats wishful thinking...

 

Alex

Adrian Mentor

Adrian

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Well, I guess it depends how close are you to family members and so on. Personally I'd rather know that my next of kin are well set, but I can perfectly understand that someone who only has distant (and not so likeable) heirs would rather see his/her stuff get in more deserving hands.

Alex A Grand Master

Alex A

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.I understand your point Adrian but i suppose it can get complicated. Obviously im hoping to leave my family something more substantial than a bunch of swords, thats my passion and once bought i dont really see them as an asset, believe it or not. If its money you want to leave to your family then the swords should be sold well in advance by yourself,if possible and if need be. (sorry to get deppressing again, its the night shift). The family wont have a clue, no matter how much effort you put into advising them, there most likely to be ripped off. Id love to leave them to my son but if he as no interest when hes older then theres no point, there better going to a good home. Have you ever wondered why a lot of these items stay in such good condition, now you know...

 

Alex.

Adrian Mentor

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Don't know what to say, from what I was able to gather so far, the right bunch of swords can be something quite substantial. :)

 

Anyway, it is clear that in case of collections numbering thousands of items (I'm not talking swords here, think stamps or coins and so on) it is difficult to make sure the family won't get ripped, in case none of them has any interest in the hobby. Even in such cases, if you're willing to do a lot of work, you can arrange things quite well, but it's very tedious.

 

However, for a collection with a lower item count but large value per item, maybe it's not a bad idea to leave some papers with an estimate and describing the channels that could be used to sell them at a fair price. Sure, one won't be able to list every menuki or those rare Japanese books, but at the very least the important swords can be covered.

 

My 2 p of course. What can I say, I'm a family guy, for me, when I draw the line, it's people first, items second.

Alex A Grand Master

Alex A

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Adrian, i have a modest collection, no Amakuni or Amafuji in there!, if it was worth a great deal than obviously i wouldnt give them away. We have been over this before, dont put too much emphasis on values for average blades, from what ive learned there only worth something when someone wants to buy them, and that can take an awful long time and be a lot less than you think. So, that is why i dont consider them to much of an asset, much more of a financial bit of exuberence at the time of purchase :shock: ..In that case there more sentimental to me than monetry and for that reason i dont consider them to be much of an inheritance, more of an hinderence. Funnily enough, an old mate rang me to see if i knew anything of ww2 blades about a year ago, his father had passed away and left him 2 swords, his father had placed a value of £900 on each, he was offered £200 and £350 by a dealer, so there you go.

 

Alex

templar44 Enthusiast

templar44

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My son knows the value of my blades and how many I have. For some reason I have not had a chance to tell her yet! Do you guys have the same trouble communicating about these things with your spouses?

Tony Martin :badgrin:

Adrian Mentor

Adrian

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Do you guys have the same trouble communicating about these things with your spouses?

Tony Martin :badgrin:

 

 

I seem to be one of the few lucky ones :)

 

The only hobby where she gave me a hard time was fishing.

Adrian Mentor

Adrian

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I hear that Slovenia isn't bad for flyfishing, so to speak :D I'm into spinning, but I know people who went there specifically for flyfishing and they were very pleased.

 

It's not that my wife doesn't allow me to go fishing, or makes a big fuss about it, but she is clearly displeased of me going away from dawn till dusk and I really have no chance of getting her interested so we can go together. (she's the civilisation loving type)

 

So, since we still care about each other :D , have many other common hobbies and so on, I kinda switched to other activities. After all, if the wife is giving you long looks when you say you're going fishing, but doesn't blink when you show her that X hundreds euros coin or that Y hundreds euros RC plane , it's hard to complain :glee:

 

Plus, let's be honest, I wouldn't like it either it if she started to go away for days :lol:

Alex A Grand Master

Alex A

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300ish E profit, a good days work i suppose...This blade reminds me of one of the blades my freinds dad had before he died, his son still has them. His dad used one of them for martial arts. Its nicely signed "seki ju takashi kaneshige" and in modern koshirae.The blade as grooves, such as this one, a long blade with long nikago, its showa stamped. I was told at the time the blade was not traditionally forged with it having this stamp, i couldnt see any grain allthough the blade was in ok polish, the hamon was gunome, allthough with no activity and not very clear. His dad was told the blade is 1926..I was wondering, is there a chance the blade could be traditionally forged?..I told my freind it wasnt, and at the time he wasnt too impressed. I know nothing of blades from that time but to me the blade didnt look handmade. No pics im afraid...

 

Alex.

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