Hamon characteristics question

[wbt]

Sorry for being lazy, but I was hoping I wouldn't have to pour through all my books looking for the answer and maybe someone would easily remember this.

 

I remember there was a koto smith or school that tempered their blades with a straight suguha in the upper part of the blade (upper 1/4 from the yokote) and then tempered the rest of the blade in midareba or midare.

Has anyone seen this before.

 

regards,

Brent

[lbkmd43]

Bo utsuri oei bizen noted for bo straight utsuri with rather flamboyant hamons yasumitsu and other san mitsus L.Kanarek MD

[cabowen]

Bizen Sukesada.

[wbt]

Sorry I may have not been totally clear. I am only referring to the hamon. The hamon starts as straight Chu suguha and then 1/4 to 1/3 down the blade becomes vivid midareba. I don't recall if the blades have utsuri or not?

 

Did yokohama Sukesada blades have this hamon?

 

Regards

Brent

[Jacques]

Hi,

 

I remember there was a koto smith or school that tempered their blades with a straight suguha in the upper part of the blade (upper 1/4 from the yokote) and then tempered the rest of the blade in midareba or midare.

 

 

It can be seen on Rai School and others.

[cabowen]

Please clearly define your question.

 

If you are talking about a hamon that starts out at the hamachi as a midare-choji-gunome, than changes to suguha, you are talking about a trait seen in koto Sukesada.

 

If you are talking about a hamon that starts out at the hamachi as suguha, then changes to a midare-choji-gunome, you are talking about a yakidashi in suguha, and there are many Shinto/shinshinto smiths with this trait.

[wbt]

Thank you for your replies. I was specifically talking about a hamon that starts at the hamachi as midare and then switches to suguha as it approaches the yokote. I believe kodai sukesada smiths is probably the answer, however rai is intriguing as well.

 

The blade I have in mind doesn't have utsuri which is what steered me away from bizen.

 

I will have to take pictures of it and post them.

 

Regard

Brent

[Jacques]

Hi,

 

This kind of hamon is very old, you can see it on some works by kanehira 包平 (Ko-Bizen) or Sukeyori (助依 (Ko Bitchu Aoe )

[cabowen]

I strongly doubt it is Rai.

 

Pictures are always necessary. It is best to post them first so as to save a lot of meaningless guess work.

[runagmc]

The first thing that came to mind is a famous tanto by Shintogo Kunimitsu done that way...

 

Second, I found an Osafune Masmitsu done this way...

 

Third, an Osafune Sukesada done the opposite way...

 

I don't know if any of this will help you, but here it is anyway

[takakage]

Hi,

 

You can add some ichimonji blades.

[wbt]

Thanks everyone, I will take some better pictures and post them. I remember seeing a few different Sue-koto blades with this hamon as well, so it must be more common than I expected.

 

I don't ever buy swords in gunto mounts, but came across someone who wanted to part with one for a reasonable price. It was in Shin gunto mounts that had a nice coronels knot and a ancestral blade in it. The blade was o-suriage and still around 72cm nagasa so I figured it was worth a gamble. Even though it is out of polish, I was drawn to the hada and interesting hamon, so we shall see. It has a couple rust pits, that may be fatal, but overall in excellent condition. I posted a couple of quick pictures I took, but need to do better ones to really see the hada and hamon.

 

thanks for the pointers.

Brent