Chako Posted February 17, 2013 Report Posted February 17, 2013 Hello all, Is it possible for anyone here to verify gimei or not on this "Yoshisuke saku" tanto mei? I appreciate your time and opinions. Best, Chako J. R. Lowe Quote
Jean Posted February 17, 2013 Report Posted February 17, 2013 Yoshisuke or Gisuke, Shimada school, Suruga province. Founder pf the Shimada school, great influence from Soshu Odawara but also of Mino, I have a tanto from Sukemune with togari. I have often seen tanto from this school with a very great turnback. From memory several generations from 15th to 16th century, the blade could match Gisuke work but I don't like the mei. I cannot check the mei at the time being and won't be before a fortnight. Quote
NihontoEurope Posted February 18, 2013 Report Posted February 18, 2013 Jean, Can you post some images? I tried to post some of mine, but I got some errors. Trying again this afternoon. /Martin Quote
Jean Posted February 18, 2013 Report Posted February 18, 2013 Impossible to post any pictures for a fornight. I am camping in the living room while the rest of the flat is being paperwalled. I am posting from my ipad. Quote
NihontoEurope Posted February 18, 2013 Report Posted February 18, 2013 Tobubetsu Kicho Paper? /Martin Quote
mdiddy Posted February 18, 2013 Report Posted February 18, 2013 Here are a couple of scans of oshigata to help. Nihon Toko Jiten: Nihonto Zuikan: Quote
Chako Posted February 18, 2013 Author Report Posted February 18, 2013 Hello mdiddy, thanks for taking the time to post the pages. I can usually find a good mei photo online from one of the shops or auction houses but could'nt this time. My untrained eye doesn't see too many similarities in the two "saku" mei choices from your posting, unfortunately. I'll be interested in other's opinions. Thank you again and best regards, JR Lowe Quote
lbkmd43 Posted March 5, 2013 Report Posted March 5, 2013 shimada yoshisuke hamon had a peculuar shape in the tanis (valley) it reverted to suguha he is well known for this type work also his boshi was usually different on both sides his nakago was slightly rounded on one side LKanarekMD Quote
SalaMarcos Posted November 7, 2015 Report Posted November 7, 2015 Thank you very much for this post, it helped me so much to find about the mei of this strange and beautiful kubikiri Quote
Toryu2020 Posted November 8, 2015 Report Posted November 8, 2015 Marcos Youll want to post photos of the bare blade if you have them and examine every detail of the hada and hamon carefully. Usually that amount of sori indicates a re-temper... -t Quote
Gunome Posted November 8, 2015 Report Posted November 8, 2015 Hello Usually that amount of sori indicates a re-temper...Not sure in that case, look at the nakago, the sori seems to be also present in the nakago.Retrempering is only the cutting part of the blade, not the whole blade, that exclude nakago. I already saw a same kind of sword: deep sori like this one and a court koshirae with large end (sorry I forgot the name of this kind of koshirae). I second Thomas, more photos will be appreciated. Quote
SalaMarcos Posted November 8, 2015 Report Posted November 8, 2015 As you desire And I don't think it's reforged. This is a private colecction from Spain. He buyed this kubikiri in the 70's , know he passed away and I ask his widow to see his collection. Quote
Brian Posted November 9, 2015 Report Posted November 9, 2015 I don't know what it is, but it is not a kubikiri. Cutting edge on the wrong side. Maybe one of those oddities made by a smith just because he could. Quote
SalaMarcos Posted November 9, 2015 Report Posted November 9, 2015 This woman has also in the collection this... seems kubikiri, and this has the edge on the other side...but for me seems a "nata" for gardening. Quote
Guido Posted November 9, 2015 Report Posted November 9, 2015 Maybe one of those oddities made by a smith just because he could. おそらく ... Quote
Brian Posted November 9, 2015 Report Posted November 9, 2015 Confusing.... That translates to "probably" according to Google. But also to osoraku. And I know this isn't osoraku zukuri So you are either saying it probably is made because he could...or giving an example (osoraku) of shapes made for no real reason except that they could. Either way...same result I guess. Quote
Guido Posted November 9, 2015 Report Posted November 9, 2015 That was Shimada Sukemune's answer when asked why he forged such a peculiar blade - it can be taken to mean "because I could". 2 Quote
Brian Posted November 9, 2015 Report Posted November 9, 2015 Learn something new every day http://www.to-ken.com/full.php?article=sr000094&type=home This sugata is quite rare and was originally invented in the sue-koto period by Shimada Sukemune, who made it for the Sengoku general, Katagiri Katsumoto. The sword had an enigmatic horimono comprising of the characters O-SO-RA-KU (translated as "perhaps") carved on the blade and so the sugata became known as Osoraku-tsukuri Quote
Ron STL Posted November 9, 2015 Report Posted November 9, 2015 Blade kanji is just "Bishu Osafune Kanemitsu" from what I can tell. I found a extreme sori blade like this back in 2004 in a collection I purchased. It seems I found reference to this shape, but can't find any notes on it. I thought one of the NMB members may have bought it from me back then. Strange shape, for sure. Ron STL Quote
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