Tsuba identification

[yogoro]

This is large Katana tsuba signed in both side.

I can read only one side - is nengo era date inscription

" KEICHO 15 year 3 month " - is 1610 year .

I can not read next side - first two kanji is Hizen , next ?

Any idea? Which school ?

[Bungo]

Hizen kuni no ju

Tadahiro saku

 

nice tsuba, need a little effort to clean off the rust ( with ivory/bone chip )and it's good to go.

 

 

milt the ronin

[Bungo]

ops.............. sorry, forgot we are supposed to do the " Borat " thing.........

like " your shirt is black ".......pause............pause........... NOT :lol:

 

Dear Censor, are we supposed to wait one day before we respond to translation inquiry ?

 

milt the ronin

[Brian]

:D Lol...no. It's not a rule or anything. There are enough translations out there for ppl to practice on, and there will be more conundrums. Nothing saying you have to wait. It's more for the experts in Japanese language who sometimes give the rest of us a chance. You are included in "the rest of us" :D

 

Brian

 

Btw..Mikolaj...

Judging by your link in your profile ( http://www.yogoro.org/album%20tsub ) you have a nice collection of tsuba, and a very detailed page (albeit in Polish) on Japanese arts. How about filling us in on how it is collecting Nihonto in Poland, and a bit of a background? Nice webpage

[Nobody]

The mei looks Tadayoshi to me. That is "Hizen no kuni ju Tadayoshi saku (肥前國住 忠吉作)".

 

BTW, if it means the famous Tadayoshi 1st, did he really make such a tsuba? What do tsuba experts think?

[yogoro]

Thanks Bungo for your translation !

First I read TADAYOSI ?

I'm afraid to clean this plate , I have not any experience and I may damege this tsuba's surface.

 

To Brian !

 

In Poland are some collectors of nihonto but we have not especially so big knowledge about Japanese art.

My main page http://www.yogoro.org/index2.htm is dedicate Japanese clan notes - hansatsu and include as addition my own tsuba's collection .

Sorry , but now ... only in Polish language

 

Mikolaj

[yogoro]

Hi Nobody

Are you sure ?

First I think thet's Tadayoshi too .

[yogoro]

First generation Tadayoshi resident in Hizen province probability is around

1670 year ( Kanbun era)

[Nobody]

First generation Tadayoshi resident in Hizen province probability is around

1670 year ( Kanbun era)

That Tadayoshi may be the 3rd.

[yogoro]

Tadayoshi first generation are swordsmith.

I can not compare any mei signed Tadayoshi

This is both side inscription this tsuba.

[yogoro]

both side

[Bungo]

why didn't you post the pic of the box first !!??

Of course Nobody san is right............... clear as day !! Tadayoshi it is !!

:lol: :lol: at least I get to pass the Borat joke.

 

milt the ronin

[yogoro]

thanks guys for your replys, but I just found this pic last.

:?

This will be first...

[Rich T]

Tadayoshi made tsuba, I cannot remember which one right off the top of my head. I would look for mei at the back end of the group, not the front to try and confirm this. However, I cannot make out that date ?, Koichi ?, it will be a big clue. If that is meant to be Keicho (1596) it will be gimei. This would be a very late Edo work I think.

 

It was common for smiths that were late in a lineage to make tsuba. Examples of this are Tadayoshi of Hizen, but he was a late Tadayoshi, the last 3 smiths in the Echizen Yasutsugu group also made tsuba though there are none I think recorded by the first few generations. Smiths from the Mino Kanesada group, the Chikuzen Nobukuni group and the Kanemichi (Daido) groups were also known to make guards.

 

cheers

 

Rich

[Nobody]

The date on the tsuba is "Keicho ju-go nen (慶長拾五年 = 1610)" as Mikolaj says.

[Rich T]

that will teach me for not reading the whole thread properly, too early in the morning.

 

Then I would say gimei, in my opinion.

 

Cheers

 

Rich

[yogoro]

Thank you for your opinion , Rich .

I find web site about Tadayoshi school

http://www.hizento.net/history.htm#SHODAI%20TADAYOSHI

which contain any mei to compare.