Question about hamon

[Hans Kondor]

Dears members,

 

I would like to ask your help. Can you tell me that is that type of hamon, when it looks there are flames (yakidashi?) on the choji hamon was used on koto blades too, or it is later technic?

 

Thank you in advance!

[peter]

Hi Hans

Sorry no answer for you just wanted to comment on your nice pictures.

Peter

[Hans Kondor]

Hello Peter,

 

they are not mine, just found them on the net, by the way if we are talking about pictures I always wanted to ask, what do you think, the second picture could be made by scanner?

[Brian]

I think that kind of hamon was used from the early days of Nihonto....including Koto like the Ichimonji school etc.

Wild, flame-like hamon is a trait of many early schools.

 

Brian

[Hans Kondor]

Thank you Brian and this has a specific name or something?

[Brian]

Don't think it has a set name. Maybe choji midare (uneven choji) with togari gunome (peaks)

 

Brian

[cabowen]

The first picture is a choji-midare. The others are more of a gunome-midare with ashi.

 

There are different types of choji: saka, juka, kawazu, etc. Look in a book or do a google search of the various descriptors.

[Jacques]

Hi,

 

the upper one is choji midare slightly saka with ashi and yo. Typical of Ichimonji School.

 

the bottom one is less visible, i would say choji midare with ashi and yo too but more quiet.

 

Both are without togari for what is visible.

[Hans Kondor]

Thank you for your comments guys!

[george trotter]

I also don't see any togari in the pics above...Just for the sake of learning about togari, here is a pic of what is usually called sanbonsugi (3 cedars) hamon. These are more often a series of rounded gonome tops than points, and those Mino smiths that made them pointed (togari) are usually noted as such...so this pic is a mixture of rounded gonome and "proper" togari" points by 27dai Kanemoto.

 

I would be interested to know what the "ragged" flame-like choji tips is properly called (I have seen it on a beautiful blade by Kasama Shigetsugu)...if anyone can help?

Regards,

[runagmc]

Can someone read these to translate? I can't make out all the kanji...

[cabowen]

From left to right, top:

 

Juka choji , choji-midare , ko-midare , hiro-suguba , chu-suguba , hoso-suguba

 

 

fukushiki-gunome , kawazuko-choji , saka-choji , kataochi-gunome , gunome-midare

[runagmc]

Thanks Chris

[Brian]

One missing at the bottom?

What is the translation of fukishi and kawazuko?

 

Thanks Chris,

Brian

[cabowen]

複式 fukushiki means compound or multiple

 

蛙子　kawazuko means tadpole

 

I think they last two are suppose to be just variants of gunome-midare. Frankly, I see nothing in them but pure gunome...

[Jacques]

Hi,

 

 

fukushiki gunome choji is a gunome choji which is divided into smaller ones.

 

[Markus]

From a translators viewpoint, the term "fukushiki-gunome" is mostly used to describe

the complex gunome interpretations of Sue-Bizen (Sukesada and the like).