Hans Kondor Posted December 30, 2012 Report Posted December 30, 2012 Dears members, I would like to ask your help. Can you tell me that is that type of hamon, when it looks there are flames (yakidashi?) on the choji hamon was used on koto blades too, or it is later technic? Thank you in advance! Quote
peter Posted December 30, 2012 Report Posted December 30, 2012 Hi Hans Sorry no answer for you just wanted to comment on your nice pictures. Peter Quote
Hans Kondor Posted December 30, 2012 Author Report Posted December 30, 2012 Hello Peter, they are not mine, just found them on the net, by the way if we are talking about pictures I always wanted to ask, what do you think, the second picture could be made by scanner? Quote
Brian Posted December 30, 2012 Report Posted December 30, 2012 I think that kind of hamon was used from the early days of Nihonto....including Koto like the Ichimonji school etc. Wild, flame-like hamon is a trait of many early schools. Brian Quote
Hans Kondor Posted December 30, 2012 Author Report Posted December 30, 2012 Thank you Brian and this has a specific name or something? Quote
Brian Posted December 30, 2012 Report Posted December 30, 2012 Don't think it has a set name. Maybe choji midare (uneven choji) with togari gunome (peaks) Brian Quote
cabowen Posted December 30, 2012 Report Posted December 30, 2012 The first picture is a choji-midare. The others are more of a gunome-midare with ashi. There are different types of choji: saka, juka, kawazu, etc. Look in a book or do a google search of the various descriptors. Quote
Jacques Posted December 30, 2012 Report Posted December 30, 2012 Hi, the upper one is choji midare slightly saka with ashi and yo. Typical of Ichimonji School. the bottom one is less visible, i would say choji midare with ashi and yo too but more quiet. Both are without togari for what is visible. Quote
Hans Kondor Posted December 30, 2012 Author Report Posted December 30, 2012 Thank you for your comments guys! Quote
george trotter Posted January 1, 2013 Report Posted January 1, 2013 I also don't see any togari in the pics above...Just for the sake of learning about togari, here is a pic of what is usually called sanbonsugi (3 cedars) hamon. These are more often a series of rounded gonome tops than points, and those Mino smiths that made them pointed (togari) are usually noted as such...so this pic is a mixture of rounded gonome and "proper" togari" points by 27dai Kanemoto. I would be interested to know what the "ragged" flame-like choji tips is properly called (I have seen it on a beautiful blade by Kasama Shigetsugu)...if anyone can help? Regards, Quote
runagmc Posted January 1, 2013 Report Posted January 1, 2013 Can someone read these to translate? I can't make out all the kanji... Quote
cabowen Posted January 1, 2013 Report Posted January 1, 2013 From left to right, top: Juka choji , choji-midare , ko-midare , hiro-suguba , chu-suguba , hoso-suguba fukushiki-gunome , kawazuko-choji , saka-choji , kataochi-gunome , gunome-midare Quote
Brian Posted January 1, 2013 Report Posted January 1, 2013 One missing at the bottom? What is the translation of fukishi and kawazuko? Thanks Chris, Brian Quote
cabowen Posted January 1, 2013 Report Posted January 1, 2013 複式 fukushiki means compound or multiple 蛙子 kawazuko means tadpole I think they last two are suppose to be just variants of gunome-midare. Frankly, I see nothing in them but pure gunome... Quote
Jacques Posted January 1, 2013 Report Posted January 1, 2013 Hi, fukushiki gunome choji is a gunome choji which is divided into smaller ones. Quote
Markus Posted January 2, 2013 Report Posted January 2, 2013 From a translators viewpoint, the term "fukushiki-gunome" is mostly used to describe the complex gunome interpretations of Sue-Bizen (Sukesada and the like). Quote
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