Late Muromachi Odd Tanto

[Jim P]

Hi Guys, A Late Muromachi odd tanto it looks like a cross between a Naginata/Yari in a Tanto, is this a one off ? thanks

http://www.nipponto.co.jp/swords/KT119771.htm

[sanjuro]

Kikuchi yari. Some were remounted as tanto during the Edo period.

[Jim P]

thanks Keith, The shape is different from Kikuchi-yari norm,so was not 100% it was a yari, it also looks like a mei on the nakago. so is mekugi-ana the original ?

[Ian]

Hello gents

 

It's a Lanmuri atoshi style Tanto I think.

I hope this helps

 

Regards

[Jim P]

Hi Ian, (Lanmuri Atoshi style Tanto, ) I think looks right, Thanks :D

[Marius]

It is rather a "satsuma-age" tanto, I am sure there is no hamon in the mune, although someone has done a hazuya job on it.

 

Fr this type of modification of a blade, see the bottom of this page:

http://www.ksky.ne.jp/~sumie99/suriage.html

[cabowen]

Hello gents

 

It's a Lanmuri atoshi style Tanto I think.

I hope this helps

 

Regards

 

Do you mean kanmuri otoshi?

[Ian]

Thank you Chris, what knowledge you have!.

 

I'm going Aoi-art description from years past for the one below

 

Lost in translation

 

It is rather a "satsuma-age" tanto, I am sure there is no hamon in the mune, although someone has done a hazuya job on it.

 

Fr this type of modification of a blade, see the bottom of this page:

http://www.ksky.ne.jp/~sumie99/suriage.html

 

 

Hmmm to both

[Marius]

Retempered "Satsuma-age" or an oddball experiment with a new shape. I vote for the former. Any clues for retempering? Like dry nakago patina?

[muromachiman]

Yes indeed, it really is Odd shaped, I've never come across anything that looks like it.

 

 

Cheers,

 

Mike

[Ken-Hawaii]

I came across a very similarly-shaped blade at the Bizen-Osafune Sword Village: http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/9966/img2025f.jpg.

 

It was by far my favorite item, was in excellent shape, & was made in the 1500s, according to the display sign.

 

Ken

[John A Stuart]

I saw some of these newly made for sale out of Japan somewhere, can't remember where though. John

[Ian]

I have seen 5 so far, they can't be that rare!

[Jim P]

Ian, They listed it as a rare piece, it seems not so rare. They would be good for getting between the armor plates

They also had some yatate (http://www.nipponto.co.jp/swords/KT122603.htm) (http://www.stutler.cc/pens/yatate/index.html)

the site gets some odd things at times, but they had some interesting kit in the Late Muromachi. don't know how collectable they are. Thanks, :D

[Brian]

Could we find pics of 10 different ones at any time? Probably not..so I would call them rare.

Nice shape..I wonder if all were from shortened blades or how many were made that way. Would probably make for a heck of a throwing weapon, although I am not suggesting that is what they were made for.

 

Brian

[Ian]

Coming soon in for sale section ' very rare tanto' :D

[uwe]

I doubt that it was made from an shortened blade. The mune goes obconic and ends to thick for a normal blade

Uwe

[John A Stuart]

I had to look up obconic, in geometry or design, the term can be assigned in an abstract manner to shapes in the natural or man-made world which show an inverted cone design. Is this what you mean? John

[uwe]

Hi John, yes I mean this inverted cone shape. Sorry for my rusted English

Cheers

Uwe

[John A Stuart]

Not rusted Uwe, just surprising. John

[uwe]

Uwe

[Ian]

I doubt that it was made from an shortened blade. The mune goes obconic and ends to thick for a normal blade

Uwe

 

They are 14 mm thick

[kusunokimasahige]

It looks to me like a yoroi-doshi of a different (rarer) shape.

 

KM

[Ian]

It looks to me like a yoroi-doshi of a different (rarer) shape.

 

I think this is the most probable