estcrh

Uwe, having a data base of images stored for comparison can be quite helpful, I have taken the menpo image from this post and added yellow arrows showing the exposed rivets on the inside. I have compared it to a menpo that used to belong to Andy M, he said that his was Edo period, he should know I think. Notice how the interior of his is smooth with no rivets showing, other menpo that are supposedly Edo are smooth inside as well.

Alexsandr, how is that? The shop owner said 19th century and I at least agree with him. No one else here seems to be able to state a time period but no one said it was 20th century replica either.

It looks to be Edo period to me, what part of the Edo period I could not say so that would be from the mid 1800s or older. You can can compare yours to some of the ones from my Pinterest board, you might find a similar one. https://pin.it/cv5svamum4zhb3

Brian thanks for your concern but you asked a specific question and there is a proper way to answer it. I am not sure why anyone would be antagonized. You simply take an image of the item in question if available and use some arrows and the proper terms to visually show why the item is modern and not antique. this is a little more work but it is much more helpful to people who are not as informed on this subject..."a picture is worth a thousand words". I am posting an image of the menpo you asked about as an example. The red arrows point to the odayori-ore-kugi (attachment posts), these posts help to keep the top heavy helmet from moving, the helmet cord (shinobi-no-o) would be wrapped around the odayori-ore-kugi and and tied off under the chin. On antique men-yoroi / men-gu (facial armor) the odayori-ore-kugi were never made with round wire such as in your example and the bend was never curved. Below is an antique example, you can clearly see the difference between the odayori-ore-kugi. Now if someone would do the same thing with the helmet.......

By the measurements I am guessing 100 monme. "bore is about 1.5 inches, lenght 26x3 inches , fine bore , gun is 35 inches oa, weight 48 lbs , i can hardly lift it , excellent untouched condition,action works fine and all parts are there , brass butt plate ,missing a brass ring on stock see picture , looks like a silver mon on barrel,also Japanese writing on barrel behind mon" https://www.gunbroker.com/item/795678088

This subject has been discussed in depth on another thread, anyone interested shoud take some time and read it. http://www.militaria.co.za/nmb/topic/19189-noel-perrins-book-giving-up-the-gun/?hl=perrin

Russel that was one of several complaints, I do a huge amount of online research online, general info, books and images, yes sometimes I have to scroll down past the Pinterest image results but I still manage to find what I am looking for. This is something that is not going to change and complaining about it does not help, this is a result of Pinterests popularity and search engine improvements which pick up tag words in Pinterest descriptions way better than they use to. As an example, if I do a search for "kusari katabira" I instantly have a vast amount of images to choose from, before Pinterest ....nothing...for me and some people it is a huge improvement. I personally would never want to go back to the way things were.

I have used Pinterest since it started many years ago, I would never touch Photobucket again, Pinterest is so completely superior. I have never received unwanted emails or notifications, not one problem ever, I have around 39,000 images and book reviews, screens shots of important texts and much more, all stored in separate, easily findable categories. I have 9,000 followers and what I post gets seen and distributed all over the world. It does not cost me a cent to use. I follow around 500 people with the same interests as me and I can see the images they post, some of which are amazing, I can save these images in any one of my categories instantly....a few adds get thrown in but they have to make money to survive, so what. If someone is having a problem with Pinterest I suggest its due to operator error...or cranky old man syndrome. There is no place better on the internet to openly share and store images and information than Pinterest.

Sorry but you are so absolutely wrong I started laughing when I read your post!! Pinterest is amazing, you really do not know what you are talking about. There is more Teppo related images and information on Pinterest than any other place on the internet except here, please stop mis-leading people.

Funny how none of the people with so much knowledge on this subject who have told you this armor is modern has taken the time to answer your question and point out the signs that prove this modern and not antique....humm.

Just more lies, I tried to engage the person attacking Trevors books (Fred), I posted screen shots of from one of Trevors books and asked what exactly was so "awful" about it but no one in the discussion could post even ONE EXAMPLE!!!! In my opinion Trevors two previous books and his new book are the best and most informative books on Japanese armor ever published in ANY language and I was not about to let Freds comment go unchallenged, his comments were just another in a long line of disparaging comments made by various people about Trevors knowledge and his books etc, based on the most part by jealousy, personal arguments with Trevor or just plain ignorance and I just was tired of seeing these types of comments being allowed to continue when I was told specifically that the new Western Armor Society forum would not be anything like Daves forum. As for the the old tired line about the need for a "private / secret" forum because people might post what is written "all over the internet"...how absurd, the Nihonto Forum and other similar forums manage to do just fine without secret, private areas, this is actually just a way to control the forum and keep "certain" people from being allowed to learn and participate, the Western Branch of the Japanese Armor Society Forum uses this method to FORCE people to pay money and join the Japanese Armor Society when all they want is access to the forum.....this allows certain people from the Western Branch to gain direct access to the top levels of the Japanese Armor Society by buying their way in, they funnel money to the Japanese Armor Society and in return these people are the only ones who have direct access unless you are rich enough to fly to Japan on a regular basis like they are and sit in on the meetings of the Japanese Armor Society, for the average person there is no direct contact with Japanese nationals, this might work for those few privileged individuals but not for people like me who want to communicate directly with the Japanese members of the Japanese Armor Society. In the end I was sent a private message saying I was bullying and harassing certain members (also known as Lucs friends) and I responded in my usual manner which led to me being banned from the forum....all this for defending Trevors books!!!! (I would do it all over again gladly, thanks Trevor for doing the impossible.)

Either you have a VERY bad memory or you are just a liar....here is a screen shot of the post, anyone can clearly see that it was Peter who started the thread and then Fred chimed in, then Piva then you and you said nothing about Trevors book being a "momumental achievement" as his new book was not even published at the time of this post!!!! As for your forum, here is the true story....when I got a message from Luc about the new Western branch of the Japanese armor society I checked it out and it was very disappointing, just a few comments etc piggybacking on the boring Japanese Armor Society web site...bland, no way to communicate etc, just like the Japanese do things....so I whipped up a sample forum for the Western branch and sent a link to Jo and Luc explaining how we in the West like to communicate with each other etc and a forum would be a great idea etc, now this is the same way I gave Dave an already designed forum, and just like Dave did at first, Luc said he was not interested in a forum....and just like Dave, all of a sudden a I get a message that there was now a forum for the Western branch of the Japanese armor Society. So I checked it out and what do I find....a so called public forum which as its main purpose was being a platform to get people to pay MONEY in order to gain entrance to the REAL forum.....yes thats right, in order to be allowed access to the REAL forum you had to cough up around $130 and join the Western Branch of the Japanese Armor Society, what a CROCK OF @$%^!!!!!!! If anyone really wants to learn about Japanese armor I recommend that you buy Trevor Absolons new book and find copies of his previous two books and for around the same amount of money you would have what amounts to a very complete education on the history and types of Japanese armor. https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a3/67/91/a367913abba6031cb785eea023c18221.pn

Humm...what goes around comes around, this is a very hypocritical comment seeing that Dave outright banned certain people from ever partipating in his forum during his reign of terror. I was the one who called him out on this type of stuff and as a result I was banned...and what did you do about that?? Now the shoe is on the other foot...im just saying. I have a LOT to say about this whole situation but its just not important to me. I have many other interests besides Japanese armor. I personally do not respect those that decided to make someone pay a rather large fee in order to get access to what in the end is just another "secret" forum. Against my own better judgement I actually wasted a few minutes of precious time and money and joined Luc's little cluster $$&€. I was not impressed in the least. One of the first posts I read was a mention of the fantastic new book on Japanese curasses by Trevor Absolon, in this post a forum member decided to attack Trevors previous amazing book, when I attempted to defend Trevors books I was eventually banned from the forum. No big loss to me and pretty much what I expected since to people I was going up against were friends of Luc. I only believe in completely open forums were ANYONE can join and freely express themselves, this was my intentions when I started the Samuari Armor Forum and except for Trevor Absolon being banned by Dave from the very start we had for awhile an open forum, nothing lasts forever and I am happy with my attempts to give people an open forum to discuss Japanese armor, unfortunately there is no such place now.

Good idea asking before buying. More detailed images would be necessary in order to give an informed opinion and what was the sellers full description.

Strange, normally I would expect to see shiki-gane (strengthening rods) that are laced to the back of Japanese nerigawa (leather) armor items. The image below shows yours compared to a known nerigawa example, the black arrows point to the shiki-gane. If not iron then either nerigawa or non-ferrous metal or???

Never wood...rawhide (nerigawa) is a possibility especially since it appears to be made in one piece. The throat guard (yodare-kake) lames do not look like nerigawa, are you sure that a magnet does not stick to them?

It ended up selling for $1265, someone like it a lot, you can get a real one for than price (occasionally). Attractive Netsuke in the Form of a Gold Inlaid Miniature Japanese Matchlock Pistol Netsuke first appears in the 17th century. They are ornamental designs used to help hang sacks, baskets, or boxes off of sashes since traditional Japanese clothing did not have pockets. This example is fashioned in the shape of a 19th century Japanese matchlock pistol and likely dates from the same period. The barrel has golden scroll and floral designs. Most of the smaller parts are silver. A swivel is fitted to the bottom of the forend for attaching a cord. Though not actually meant to be fired, the pistol is designed like a fully functional matchlock and has a vented barrel. Very fine with 75% of the gold inlay remaining on the barrel and oxidation and brown patina on the remaining iron. The silver and brass have aged patina. The lock needs minor adjustments to the sear. The wood is also very fine and has minor handling and storage marks and a very faint hairline crack on the front left

Speaking of gunpowder, here is a Japanese blog about gunpowder, the English translation is not to precise unfortunately. https://blogs.yahoo.co.jp/yamasemi8913603/15601846.html According to the only literature on the transfer of guns, "gunshot", the guns arrived at Tanegashima is the event of August 25 (a lunar calendar astronomy 12th, 12th, 2012) of Astronomy 12 (1543). The island main shrine Tanegashima Time bought two huge guns, ordered Shinobawa Koshiro to prepare the black powder to be used in the fireworm gun and ordered the swordsmith Hakka Kimbei Kiyofi to replicate the fire gun. The raw materials of black powder are three types of nitrate (potassium nitrate), sulfur, charcoal. The mixing ratio is 60 to 80% for the stone, 10 to 20% for the sulfur and 10 to 20% for the charcoal. Sulfur and charcoal could also be procured at Tanegashima, but as minerals (smoke nitrate, flame nitrate, salt water) could not be collected in Japan, it seems to have had trouble in procurement. Therefore, pay attention to the fact that a small amount of stone can be taken around the floor or the toilet, mix a mixture of soil and grass, a carcass of animal and so on, manure, river, coral reef, etc in a special place, erode it by the function of bacteria and take out the stone I figured out a way. Tanegashima also has Salt Nita (near Nishinomota Shimanto Temple) to create a stone, and a stone monument is built on the site. This is a story I heard from people living in Minami-ko town, but in the old days the islanders were also ordered to procure materials for the stones, digging holes for urinate in the garden and banks of each door, and white crystals I was paying the island mainly to the island. The hole for that urine was called "Shoben mound" and it remained in his grandfather 's garden. Perhaps, there may be this "Shoben mound" around an old private house that still remains. If you know something, please do not hesitate to contact us! There are two kinds of black powder usually used as a propellant as it is, and a method using the black powder as a fire retardant. The container also contains a propellant case (photo right), a fire extinguisher (three on the left of the photo) and so on.

Thanks for the terms Piers, why cant you use Pinterest?

Anyone who has an image of Japanese matchlock accessories that they do not mind being put on Pinterest can post the image here and I will transfer it.

I have started a new Pinterest board on the subject of Japanese matchlock accessories. If anyone has pictures of items they do not mind contributing and or proper terms both in English and Japanese this would be very helpful. Having these images and terms easily available in one place will make it much easier form people to correctly identify these types of items in the future. I have already added some items I own along with a few others found online. Anyone know the term for blackpowder? https://www.pinterest.com/worldantiques/Japanese-matchlock-accessories/ #1 Teppo ashigaru (matchlock foot soldier). 16th century. #2 Hayago (quick load cartridge). #3 Dohran or Douran (for holding hayago). #4 Ko-yaku-ire (the smaller priming powder flask). #5 Karasu-guchi (crow's beak) for dispensing Tama (lead bullets) and Tama-bukuro (bullet bag). #6 Hi-nawa (match cord). #7 Danyaku-bako (Ammunition box). #8 karuka (ramrod). #9 Kayaku-ire (coarse gunpowder flask).

Piers, for research purposes, if you ever run across another example like Jan's ladle in anyones collection, exhibit etc it would be nice to have it mentioned.

Good detective work.

Jan, your new image does show that it has been used. I am always a bit skeptical about blindly trusting "leading authorities", they do get things wrong and since they are seen as authorities people often hesitate to question them. I could give several examples of such glaring errors. With so few actual known examples of these ladles in the first place it is not surprising that this riveted type with no wooden grip has not been seen before (at least by me), always good to see something different come up. This is also a good example of why I tell people if at all possible to get good, clear, detailed images from all sides of any item they intend to purchase.