Jcstroud
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It makes me wonder if Takeyasu and Toyosuke were the same swordsmith due to the same anchor stamp same crosshatched file marks same takayama kissaki same burnt end on the nakago.? Seems possible he used one name for Navy blades and another for army blades in similar fashion as Masanao and Kanenao who also worked at Takayama forge.I know this is conjecture until proven. Perhaps a Takayama thing.......?
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Type 98 Shin Gunto - Navy arsenal blade
Jcstroud replied to Whitecap's topic in Military Swords of Japan
Found another Takeyasu very similar with curious numbering also
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Hey,Kiipu is it possible that some used the go-juon order instead being a equivalent system?
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Hey Bruce,question : in the katakana charts is there a numerical value that can be associated with each character? A correction the hiragana chart I posted was go-juon order not iroha order.
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Theories are proven OR disproven. Search for evidence and let that guide you. Agreed will require more examples of willing participants to acquire Proofs to this theory .in respect to #45 there is no doubt in my mind at all. But that does not negate the fact that multiple numbering systems were in use during and after the war.Very interesting in deed
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A correction to this assumption ...if the position on the hiragana chart were being used as series number prefix that would make Toyosuke #34 sword #2934 of 8747 keep in mind that this is at this time a theory needing to be proven. But indeed a possibility....and the search for who was Toyosuke continues......😁
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There is a likely possibility that some shops used one and others the other in the instance of #45 the 4th and fifth positions on the above chart are an exact match which is exactly what I was looking to find.now we are seeing the different possibilities.....cool!!!
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Interesting observations you all may have solved the mystery of the tsuka numbering system!
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Correction it is a "he" hiragana symbol.....ooops
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That could mean the 45 was from one of the first production runs, and the 34 came later in one of the many repeat series. Finally with the help of you all have discovered the meaning of the tsuka symbols they are the 4th and 5th hiragana symbols in the iroha song order and on #34 the "he" symbol I believe is the 34th symbol in the same order does that mean it is sword #3434 more study is needed but certainly appears to be a breakthrough in deciphering the meanings of these tsuka symbols!!!
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Here is a chart to help from Japanese-lesson.com
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Seems they may have used the iroha song to establish a first 100,second 100 etc....?that would mean Toyosuke #45 is the 145th of 8747?
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Another"fu"for you
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List updated and corrected
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Thankyou @vajo for this picture of Toyosuke #68 care of @Bruce Penningtoncould you tell me where you found it that is what country? I would be very greatful . John S.
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This one seems to blur the line between latewar and postwar also appears longer at the tsuka having 12 diamond as opposed to11 on others suppose this blade could be from Takayama forge? Of Seki origin?tsuka is curved slightly as well.what you guys think?
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Would like to take a moment to thank Matt of Sohei Swords for making this comparison possible...nice blade nice people aka @mdiddy
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Another comparison #45 still has remnants of brown paint on the kabutogane #34 has no trace of pre-existing paint.
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Yes the bottom one dont know if it is lacquer or hand oils was lacquered ito the norm?😁
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That could mean the 45 was from one of the first production runs, and the 34 came later in one of the many repeat series. Better photo to clarify differences
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Looks like bondo,Nice tassle
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Looks like each one has been modified in one way or another 99 has angle cut habaki with an offset Munemachi ,#3 the tsuba has been replaced... oh no I am becoming a critic ahhhhhh.!@#$?😁
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So far we have found the following Toyosuke swords in the following countries: 33 us washington state 34 Virginia us 36 France 45 Puerto Rico 56 Australia 65 Poland 68 Poland 78 Poland ?? Japan ?? Russia ?? Austria ?? England ?? California Us
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For those who have Inquiring minds... Saki kasane #34 =.232 inches #45 =.240 inches Saki haba #34 =.907 at yakote #45 =.874 " " Motokane #34 =.334 inches #45 =.322 inches Motohaba #34 =1.264 in. At habaki #45 =1.244 in. At habaki
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Some of the differences I have noticed is #45 has cast heavier fuchi and koiguchi . #34 has embossed lighter weight Fuchi and koiguchi it is my belief that #45 was made before #34 because it is heavier overall.the stamped numbers on 34 are smaller as well.....
