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Hi Henry, Thanks for the reply and the help. I really don't know about this tsuba. The bold abstract geometric design doesn't look Kyo Shoami to me as they would often make designs that were much more naturalistic. Searching the Museum of Fine Arts, Boston website http://www.mfa.org/ for "Kyo Shoami" and you would get more of what I am talking about featured in the two issues of the NBTHK monthly magazine discussed above. The author of the article in the NBTHK magazine classified the Kyo Shoami into two major groups a early group from the Momoyama Period and early Edo Period that didn't sign their work and a later middle Edo Period group that would sign their work. This transition with the school lead the designs to me more and more refined and naturalistic with increased use of gold and silver nunome-zogan "fabric inlay". Yours truly, David Stiles

Hi Curtis R., I must disagree in part with Henry analysis. Myochin often made tsuba in the late Edo Period with this type of mokume "wood grain" pattern. I have a signed Myochin tsuba with this type of design. The only problem I see is that the mei (i.e. signature) isn't consistent with what I normally see how the Myochin school would sign their tsuba. Normally they would have a personal artist name along with the school name of Myochin. They would also include some honorfic title such a Osumi Kami (大隅守) along with personal artsit name and the school name. If the signature is authentic then tsuba night have been below the standards of the person making it and therefore he didn't write his personal name of the tsuba. Just some possible ideas to explain the strange signature other then it being just a gimei made by someone trying to copy Myochin style. My impression is that acid etching looks a bit over the top even for the Myochin school of the late Edo Period. I hope you find this information helpful. Attached is a photo of a tsuba in my collection that I think the mei is real. Here is a typical structure of a Myochin signature: Right of the Nakago-ana: Myochin Osumi (no) kami (明珎大隅守), Left of the Nakago-ana: Ki (no) Yoshinobu (紀義信) Yours truly, David Stiles

Hi Everyone, Good to hear that the show and shinsa when well. Wish I could have been there. Maybe next year's show. That's assuming it becomes like the other regular shows across the USA. Still waiting to hear back from Chris about my tsuba being confirmed as a extra large Chinese belt buckle by the NTHK-NPO. Yours truly, David Stiles

Hi Curtis R., Could you take a photo of the complete side with the signature? Being able to see the complete seppa-dai as well as the signature is important. I think this would be helpful. Also listing the measurements of the tsuba including the thickness is important as well. Yours truly, David Stiles

Hi Everyone, Here is a new tsuba I am doing some research on as well as a write up about. Here is the information I have now: Item Name: ? Japanese Title: ? Material: Iron (tetsu 鉄) Age: ? Size: 8.8 ✕ 8.8 cm ✕ 0.40 cm, rim (0.50 cm, seppa-dai) Signature: mumei (無銘) Shape: Tate kaku-gata （竪角形） Openings: Ryohitsu ana (両櫃孔) Surface Finish: Tsuchime Ji (槌目地) Attachment: None The shape of the rim is kaku-mimi (角耳). The kozuka-hitsu ana looks much larger then the kogai-hitsu ana. The tsuba was once part of the Skip Holbrook collection. Here is what I have in terms of his hand written notes. I am not sure of the Kyo Shoami attribution comparing the tsuba to other identified Kyo Shoami tsuba from the Momoyama and early Edo Period found in issues #642 and #643 of the NBTHK Token Bijutsu magazine. To be honest I think this tsuba has more in common with the Ko-Shoami tsuba listed in issue #640 of the magazine. I would like other members feedback about the tsuba in terms of school attribution as well as what the design motif could be. Thanks for taking the time to help me with my research. Yours truly, David Stiles

Hi Curran, Thanks for joining the discussion. Your idea might explain what looks to be the very poor condition of the patina. I was looking at transverse views of the tsuba and I don't see any luster just dry rustiness to me. This poor condition of patina could be the result of someone taking a legitimate modern tsuba (aka. a copy of a original Akasaka school work) and trying to artificially age it to make it look like it was from the Edo Period. This might also explain the over done alternation of the nakago-ana. Yours truly, David Stiles

Hi Bob H., Thanks for the name of the design. I have seen in other Akasaka tsuba before. It of a chashitsu (茶室) or outdoor small tea room in spring time. The kebori along the sukashi isn't as good as you typically see in Akasaka school work. It could be a Shoami copy or a later generation (i.e. Akasaka, Ko-dai) work. The seller doesn't list the thickness of the tsuba and if the seppa-dai is thinner or thicker then the rim. All of these are important bits of information. Yours truly, David Stiles

Hi Tobias H., I am aware of the fact that the top and bottom of the nakago ana (i.e. tang hole) gets altered via a hammer in such a way to fit it to a new tang when a tsuba is mounted on a new sword but I have never seen this done to such an extreme. That was one of the reasons I was pointing that fact out. There also appears a fair amount of interest in the tsuba on eBay due to the number of bids versus the time remaining. Here is a more typical example of what we are talking about from a tsuba in my collection. The design and the sukashi style I would consider to be classic Akasaka school. The only thing strange is the alteration of the nakago-ana. The consistence of the patina and presence of rust doesn't look good as well but I don't see any major rust damage. This can be really hard to judge accurately sometimes from photos. Yours truly, David Stiles

Here is a link to a intresting Akasaka? tsuba being listed on eBay: http://www.ebay.com/itm/TSUBA-IRON-Japanese-SUKASHI-AKASAKA-STYLE-SHIGURE-TEI-DESIGN-/120775481725?pt=Asian_Antiques&hash=item1c1ec7997d#ht_2720wt_1271. Wait I forgot to use the correct official NMB approved name for the site evilBay. Some strange alternations has happen to the seppa-dai on the ura side of this tsuba. Has anyone seen this before? I don't see it on other Akasaka tsuba comparing it to some published examples I have in books. I have never purchased from this seller from Japan. Any help or comments are welcome. Yours truly, David Stiles

Hi Everyone, I would agree with Henry about the age of work. The detail of the inlay works really good. Often with tsuba like this I often say late Edo Period but include the beginning part of Meji Period before the Haitto-rei of 1876. After this major historical event the tsuba that were being produced became more and more just decorative metal handicrafts with little to no use as a real sword guard. They were made mostly for sale in the new Tokyo or for export to USA and Europe from the docks of Yokohama. Yours truly, David Stiles

Hi Curt R., Thanks for the kind words about my tsuba. The motif is Buddhist Immovable Wisdom King known as Fudo-Myo-O (不動明王) in Japanese. It looks like he is stepping out of the flames of a homa (Jpn. Goma (護摩)) fire during a Buddhist esoteric ritual. Here is a link more about homa ritual if anyone is interested: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homa_(ritual). There is more then enough to see at the Tampa show at the very low cost of admission. I would love to get together meet people from the NMB at the show. I was able to meet a few people at the show last year. :D Yours truly, David Stiles

Hi Curt R., I would hold off with the NTHK shinsa. I am planning to attend the Tampa show as well. Its a good place and would recommend it as you will get a chance to see many different nihonto and tosogu. Last year I looked at many fine tsuba and tosogu sets and just a few high end nihonto. Your tsuba I would agree with Herny and say Aizu Shoami circa late Edo Period. The craftsmanship in terms of plate iron, patina, and inlay work reminds me of this tsuba I have in my collection. My tsuba is in a little bit better condition and is intended to be mounted on a katana. Yours truly, David Stiles

Hi Everyone, I will not be able to make it to Minneapolis show and shinsa. I have already sent my tsuba to Chris B. to be submitted for me for shinsa. I have a thread about it in the NMB tosogu forum. Here is the direct link to the thread: http://www.militaria.co.za/nmb/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10760. I also posted a write up about the tsuba on my personal website the link to it on my signature. I hope those that do attend will post some photos of the event. I am planning to attend the Florida Show next year. :D Yours truly, David Stiles

Hi Fred G., You need to check out the NBTHK Token Bijutsu issue #647 (12/2010). They have the whole issue focused on the tosogu works of Hirado Kunishige. I can email scans of the issue if you don't already have it. I was meaning to send you a email about your custom tsuba boxes for sale anyway. Take care and I hope I was helpful. Yours truly, David Stiles

Hi Henry, After closer inspection you are right about the ito. I think it is made of lacquered hemp cloth. Yours truly, David Stiles

Thanks for the information Henry. I will take a look at it tomorrow when I have some free time. Yours truly, David Stiles

Hi Dr. Stein, Nice to see you on the NMB. It was way back in 2003 that you introduced me to my local sword club the Mid Atlantic Token Kai via your wonderful website. I found your website very helpful for my study. Your site along with Jim G. website here http://home.earthlink.net/~jggilbert/tsuba.htm I have been trying to model with my own non-commercial website about the art and history of Japanese sword fittings. Attached is a koshirae that I have that is centered around a large Tempo tsuba. I place the age of the koshirae to around the early Edo Period. The ito looks like leather but is in fact black lacquered silk. I have cleaned much of the rust of the Tempo tsuba using piano ivory and dried bamboo since the photo was taken. Yours truly, David Stiles

Hi Everyone, Just wanted to update everyone about this Saotome tsuba. I decided to send it off to a Nihonto broker for the the upcoming NTHK-NPO shinsa at Minneapolis, MN early next month. Here is a link for more information about the show: http://www.ejapaneseswords.com/Arts_and_Arms_of_the_Samurai.html. I can't make the show but next show that I will be at in the Florida Show in Feb. 2012. I will post the results good or bad once I know on the thread. Thank you for reading and comments are welcome. Yours truly, David Stiles

Hi Everyone, Lets all just cool down the weekend is almost here. I only posted the Ko-Kachushi tsuba because it had a identical design and that I was thinking my tsuba a later copy of the same design. To answer your question Henry. The only reason I was thinking it was a Owari Sukashi tsuba was that the former owner thought so therefore I was using this as just a starting point for my own research. The crack not sure if it is "fatal flaw" but in terms of dept it is superficial and the structure of the tsuba is strong. Yours truly, David Stiles

Hi Henry, My tsuba a latter copy is 8.1 cm round and is 6.0 mm thick and is of the same identical design. The tsuba I posted a photo of I am not sure of the size. The identical tsuba in Tsuba An Aesthetic Study on page 26 is 7.0 cm by 6.8 cm and is dated in the book as circa 1400. Hope you find the information helpful. Yours truly, David Stiles

Hi Henry, Thanks for the kind words. The creak is not that noticeable and is often needed to be pointed out when I show people the tsuba in person. I had to be told about it while I was in the process of buying it. Can anyone identify what I think is the Kamon (家紋) design of the tsuba? It reminds me of the following tsuba that is of the Ko-katchushi school that I have in my research notes. I think the Ko-katchushi tsuba is older and from the Muromachi Period (circa 1450). I have observed this same Ko-katchushi tsuba in the book Tsuba An Aesthetic Study on page 26. Yours truly, David Stiles

Hi Keith G., I was just being a bit speculative myself when thinking the crack was use related. I will conceded that the shallow crack might just be a forging fault that didn't stop the tsuba from being mounted on a sword and used. Thanks for the valid question. Yours truly, David Stiles

Hi Christian, I think I understand your point. As I do have other tsuba without papers in my collection that I think are of the Owari Sukashi school that doesn't show any damage. I will be submitting one of them for the upcoming NTHK shinsa. This type of damage does detract from the overall value of the piece but I still like the bold mon design very much therefore I will keep the tsuba in my collection as a reference piece. The tekkotsu and character of the iron which I can't capture well in my photos are fine and are characteristic of the Momoyama Period Owari Sukashi school. Thanks again for taking the time to reply to my thread. :D Yours truly, David Stiles

Dear NMB Members, As may of you know that there will be a upcoming NTHK-NPO shinsa in the USA on Oct. 7, 8, 9 in Minneapolis, MN. I had a quick general shinsa question that pertains to tsuba. When it comes to damage related to use is it allowed for a tsuba. I not refering to something as devastating as a burned tsuba but wanted to know more about much less devastating damage from normal use often encountered on antique tsuba of significant age. The first example I would like to discuss to start off this discussion is what I think is a Owari Sukashi tsuba with a crack that extends less then half-way through a rim which is very thick at 6.0 mm. The crack is in the upper right side of the tsuba. As you can see the crack is only visible on the Omote side of the tsuba. Tsuba still feels very strong in hand even with the small crack. Would such a use related damage cause the tsuba to fail shinsa and be give the dreaded pink paper? I was thinking about this issue as I was going through my tsuba collection decided which tsuba I should send as I have a slot reserved at the upcoming NTHK-NPO Shinsa. The question also crossed my mind when I remember seeing a real Nobuie tsuba that had been test cut on by a sword at some point in the distant past. Here is the Nobuie tsuba in question: http://home.earthlink.net/~jggilbert/ono.htm. It is the first tsuba on the page. Thanks in advance for taking the time to answer my question. If additional photos are required please let me know. Yours truly, David Stiles

Hi NMB Members, Just wanted to post a quick notice about the major updates I have done to my personal website in the hobby section. Here is a direct link: http://mysite.verizon.net/vzeo23jk/art.html. As one of my major hobby is collecting tosogu and Japanese Art in general I was thinking this would be a good place a notice about the updates I have made. I please feel free to post any constructive comments as I am not a professional website developer. Questions are also welcome. Thanks for taking the time to look. Yours truly, David Stiles