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Hi Steve, I don't know but you are most likely right. I have read everything about San Diego wreck and conducted extensive research on shipwreck tsuba, as I’ve encountered them(iron) before. - But thanks for sharing.
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Another very interesting one. It belongs to a friend. I couldn’t figure out the mei, but my gut says it should have been on an important sword.
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Wanted to share a swordsmith tsuba(Igo no kami Kinmichi) that was once covered with urushi. Luckily, we can still see some remnants of the old lacquer.
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2nd gen. General shape of the hamon and Toran midare (I was going back and forth between Terukane and Sukehiro)
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I can. But why? Get better soon!
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Kanesada maybe? (Echigo)
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Actually, I was the one who was trying to be nice to you. I was simply giving you an advice, why do you take it as an insult? Also, are you going to attack everyone who ask you a question? No wonder so many people added you to their ignore list. Well, I'm joining them..no need to waste my time with you.
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What does my age have anything to do with this?
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@Dan tsuba Unfortunately, people in the West often romanticize the samurai. In the late 18th and 19th centuries, they didn't care much about their sword fittings—or even their swords themselves. Low-ranking samurai were struggling just to feed their families, let alone worry about the fittings. If they owned more than one pair of tsuba, they would sell them at second-hand markets to make ends meet. In Tokyo, markets in areas like Kanda and Honjo were especially popular for this. It was very easy to find a set of tsuka, tsuba etc… In the 18th and 19th centuries, samurai made up about 5-6% of Japan's total population, but a quarter of them were jobless. There are records of samurai buying swords from second-hand markets in Kanda, finding proper fittings, and reselling them for profit—just like Japanese dealers do today. High-ranking samurai usually owned more than one daishō. Instead of changing out their tsuba, they would often have more than one set, allowing them to wear something fancier, or maybe a tachi, when appearing at court. Some of them also collected swords and I’m sure they had some daisho tsuba sets as well. Also, gift-giving was common among high-ranking samurai, and they often received gifts from their lords. Head of the house and their sons typically received “very good" swords and most of the time in a very good koshirae. That being said, these type of questions won’t help you move "onward" in your tsuba studies. Instead, focus on the tsuba itself—time is precious. Okan
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@GRC @Tcat Yup, I had one from late edo..1853 to be exact...
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No worries. Here is another Kamakura piece looking similar to yours.(no other info just the period) Picture is not the best quality but it's from an old book. Oops..this was already in Tsuba Kansho..Nevermind
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I've used an AI for the translations, so I don't know how accurate they are (though they should be okay to some degree), but I'm sure you'll be able to get something from them. 1. Ietada, often inscribed with the signature "Saotome Ietada" or the five-character signature, also appears as "Jōshū-ju Saotome Ietada" in some works. He was the son of the first-generation Kō, and there are various theories about his role, including the claim that he was the second generation of the Saotome school. However, he is considered a prominent craftsman of the Saotome lineage, alongside Iesada, and it seems likely that he was active in the same period. Ietada was a maker of demon (oni) motifs, and works attributed to him from the Momoyama period, as well as a kabuto bowl inscribed with a 15th-year Genroku (1702) date, are confirmed. There are also records of kabuto signatures from the Tenbun, Eiroku, and Tenshō eras in ancient texts. The name Ietada appears in works from different periods, including the Momoyama period and the mid to late Edo period, and several people with the same name are believed to have existed. The "mai" (the dance) is typically made from a muscle-style kabuto bowl shaped like a mokkō (melon), with twenty-four or sixteen overlapping pieces, showcasing a typical technique of armor craftsmen. Many of these works are thought to belong to the mid-Edo period. In the late Edo period, there are works that include chrysanthemum-shaped designs, sturdy patterns, hammer-textured surfaces, as well as ear-flaps made with rope patterns, and other styles like the Tenpō style or copies of family works. Ienori is inscribed as "Saotome Ienori" or "Jōshū-ju Saotome Ienori". The "mai" of this school is mostly seen in mokkō shapes, angular-less shapes, and chrysanthemum shapes, though the round forms typically associated with the Meijin school are rare. The chrysanthemum-shaped raised patterns and piercing techniques are likely derived from the same ideas and methods used in the kabuto bowls. Ienori's works can also be seen from the mid and late Edo periods, with more examples from the latter period. The designs often feature chrysanthemum motifs, crests, patterns of auspicious plants (Hōrai), leaves, and the sun. Occasionally, there are rare examples incorporating unique techniques such as patterns of paulownia vines or variations on the Nō-style inlays. In the past, there was a relatively young piece signed "Jōshū-ju Saotome Iesada, 19 years old," which featured a steel-based, angular-less design with pierced patterns of leaves and paulownia. Iekyu, signed "Saotome Iekyu," is known for a small number of pierced tsuba (sword guards) and works in the Tenpō style. Furthermore, other members of the Saotome school include Ieyoshi, Ietaka, Ietomi, and Iesada. 2. Saotome Ienori and Ietada were active around the Tenbun era. As mentioned above, when it comes to the style of works from the great Saotome family, compared to the Meijin school, the shapes are generally larger, thicker, and appear more robust overall. The forging techniques of the base metal seem rough and somewhat hasty, suggesting that they were less refined. As a result, there are certain aspects where the works appear less elegant. When considered from the perspective of armor-making, it seems likely that these pieces were made by individuals who lived during the Tenbun era. However, further examination shows that while there are certainly works from the same era, some pieces seem to belong to later periods. Among the works that appear more recent, there are those that share characteristics with works by needleworkers (shinkō) and that show a departure from the traditional armor-making craft. These works may suggest that the authors, including Ienori, Ietada, and Iesada, had apprentices or descendants who continued to make works with the same signature for two or three generations. The lack of detailed genealogies makes it difficult to definitively separate these individuals and their familial connections, but the differences between parent and child or sibling are distinguishable. One of the masterpieces of Iesada is a pierced piece with a stylized design of "Kiri" (paulownia) and "Tōka" (a specific geometric pattern) on the "right and left" of the piece, which demonstrates the skill and refinement of the maker. The piece has gold coloring on the flowers, and it appears to have features in common with works by the well-known artist Seiami. Iesada seems to have specialized in such designs, and I have seen several similar works from the same school. Additionally, I have seen an intricate, large piece by Iesada, featuring a pierced kabuto bowl with a geometric face pattern, where the ear is surrounded by a copper rim. Another piece by Iesada, a mokkō (melon-shaped) tsuba featuring the inscription "Nam Myōhō Renge Kyō" with a carved-out design, is also typical of his work. I have seen a few similar pieces, and they all stand out for their refined elegance, though they vary in size. There is also a piece signed by Iekyu, featuring a mokkō shape with a pierced design, including elements such as the "Daikichi" (great fortune) characters and net-like patterns, which resemble the Tenpō style. These kinds of works, as well as the previously mentioned designs, seem to be the particular specialties of the Saotome school. Professor Wada’s theory suggests that mokkō-shaped pieces are common, but I believe that the pierced (nukagaku) pieces are the most prevalent among them. Additionally, there is a piece bearing the signature of Ietada in the collection of the Furukawa family, featuring a thin, armor-like design with a deer’s head carved in a rough, simplistic manner. This piece is an exceptional rarity among Saotome works, and it is a fascinating example of a craftsman’s true talent. There seems to be a clear distinction in style here, demonstrating the unmistakable qualities of an armor maker. Professor Akiyama’s theory notes that "Among armor makers, the works of Meijin Nobuie and Saotome Iesada stand out." He continues by saying, "Iesada is skilled, but some of his works appear too polished, almost losing their connection to traditional armor-making. Many counterfeit pieces from Aizu exist, so one must be especially careful. Fashion trends in sword guard designs change with time, and there were periods when styles such as those from Saotome Iesada, Tenpō, Nampō-kyō, Keitō, Hikone’s Munetora, Kamakura, and Yagami tsuba flourished. At other times, the works of artists like Ritsuchū, Seiami, and the older Seiami school were more popular. As time passed, however, the works of Saotome Iesada, along with those from the older Seiami and other schools, gradually fell out of favor, and styles from other regions like Yamato, Satsuma, and Unsu began to command higher prices. Nonetheless, the works of artists like Kin’ya, Jōya, and Meiji will likely always receive some level of recognition, though it seems unlikely that they will ever achieve the level of acclaim they once had."
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Pretty nice, Piers! I especially like the saya very much. I'm scared of lobsters, so that fuchi is a no-go for me.